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Old 09-25-2013, 03:54 AM  
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The Double Absurdity of Ted Cruz's 'Filibuster'

Why the senator's last stand against Obamacare just doesn't make sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/279959/

Who says Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything? These days, they are largely united in their loathing for Ted Cruz, the pugnacious Republican freshman senator from Texas. On Tuesday afternoon, Cruz took the floor of the Senate and vowed to speak as long as he could stand. (His colleague Mike Lee has already taken a turn at the podium.)

For procedural reasons, Cruz's remarks, however long, do not constitute a true filibuster; the vote to move forward with government-funding legislation is scheduled to begin after noon on Wednesday and will go forward regardless. Twitter quickly dubbed his stand a "fauxlibuster" or -- perfect for its invocation of vacuous, feel-good nonsense-speech -- a "Ted Talk." Invoking the Nazis, the Soviet Union, and the Little Engine That Could, Cruz styled himself the lone crusader for right against a formidably equipped enemy.

Nearly to a one, Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare. But most also worry Cruz's defund crusade will lead to a government shutdown that hurts the GOP politically. Leaving aside the policy or even the political advisability of Cruz's undertaking, though, there are a couple of basic logical problems with what he's trying to do, as the conservative writer David Freddoso pointed out on the Conservative Intelligence Briefing website on Sunday.

1. He's trying to block the same bill he says he wants to pass. Cruz and his fellow defunders pushed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill funding the federal government but stopping funding for health-care-reform implementation. The House obeyed and passed the bill on Friday. But now that the Senate is considering the bill, Cruz wants to prevent it from being voted on. "If youíre really interested in putting pressure on Democrats to heed their constituents and vote to defund Obamacare, then you make them take the very vote that Cruz is trying to prevent from happening," Freddoso writes.

2. Shutting down the government wouldn't stop Obamacare. On Fox News on Friday, Cruz proposed passing piecemeal funding bills for "different pieces of the government," such as the military, implying Congress could fund other government functions while omitting Obamacare. But that's wrong -- the money for Obamacare isn't at stake in the continuing resolution currently under consideration. It's "mandatory" spending, akin to Medicare and Social Security, and would require action by Congress to revoke. "Iím convinced that most conservatives who have bought into [Cruz's] strategy have been misled to believe we can hold off Obamacare for a while with a government shutdown," Freddoso writes. "Obamacare is already funded, and that wonít change if this bill gets stalled by a filibuster. During the shutdown, the Marines donít get paid, but Obamacare gets funded."

Conservatives can cheer Cruz for grabbing the nation's attention and giving an impassioned, high-profile speech. But, Freddoso argues, they shouldn't pretend this is a practical step toward stalling legislation they hate. As he wrote in another post: "This plan is right out of Alice in Wonderland. You need to prevent a vote on defunding Obamacare in order to defund Obamacare." Good luck with that, Senator.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:49 PM   #91
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Excellent. Since it doesn't matter to you I might as well be honest and let you know that I think you have gone from a somewhat entertaining poster to a vile arrogant douchebag over the last few years. It's a bit confusing to me since you have absolutely nothing to actually be arrogant about. Lacking in both brains and looks you seem to compensate with completely unjustified self love. Last time I checked it wasn't a point of pride to be a fat, effeminate, no talent soccer groupie.
Hey maybe some people still care about your half baked "never hear from them again" business ideas and shitty board. Really sorry I am not one of them. Don't know what to tell you. Go make another board for shitty people to gather that is more tuned into what you think about anything.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:53 PM   #92
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What you have said makes no sense. How does what Bill Clinton is doing make a statement on Republican motives? Even the President has said the bill can be made better and has asked the Republicans for input to do so.
Obama has asked for input? Really. That's pure comedy gold there. Let's assume he did - what type of proposals was he looking to get? Was there something out there he'd have considered because I'm pretty sure the Law passed on strict party lines the first time with zero GOP input.



Or maybe you're saying the GOP should have zero input in passing the law, but input in helping the Democrats implement it all. I'm ready for a good laugh.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:56 PM   #93
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:09 PM   #94
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People buying subsidized insurance aren't paying their own way. If everyone paid the same premiums I wouldn't give a rats ass about obamacare. But because they don't thus amounts to nothing but an Obama attack on the middle class.
Currently those people are paying nothing while everyone else foots their bill at x10 the cost.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:17 PM   #95
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Hey maybe some people still care about your half baked "never hear from them again" business ideas and shitty board. Really sorry I am not one of them. Don't know what to tell you. Go make another board for shitty people to gather that is more tuned into what you think about anything.
44000 posts from you on this "shitty board"? Is there any particular reason you continue to grace this "shitty board" with your presence? Since you've made it abundantly clear how much better you think you are than the rest of us, it's surprising that we are still allowed to bask in your glory.
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Currently those people are paying nothing while everyone else foots their bill at x10 the cost.
How do you figure? Don't use the tedious ER example. ER visits don't pay for elective surgeries and procedures that will be covered now. And some of those cheap plans will have high enough deductibles the user won't be able to pay them anyway, and those dollars will be charged back to those that can pay.
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44000 posts from you on this "shitty board"? Is there any particular reason you continue to grace this "shitty board" with your presence? Since you've made it abundantly clear how much better you think you are than the rest of us, it's surprising that we are still allowed to bask in your glory.
I come in to laugh and kill time every now and then. Also post about soccer.

Sorry Kyle. You came in thinking your opinion mattered to meand you threw a little tantrum when I made it obvious it didn't. Go talk to Frazod about something. He lives for ChiefsPlanet. Someone here will make you feel as important as you would like to be.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:27 PM   #99
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Hey maybe some people still care about your half baked "never hear from them again" business ideas and shitty board. Really sorry I am not one of them. Don't know what to tell you. Go make another board for shitty people to gather that is more tuned into what you think about anything.
Whatever dude you just seem bitter. You only seem interested in attacking people. You were called out and it was spot on~
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How do you figure? Don't use the tedious ER example. ER visits don't pay for elective surgeries and procedures that will be covered now. And some of those cheap plans will have high enough deductibles the user won't be able to pay them anyway, and those dollars will be charged back to those that can pay.
I was going to use the tedious ER example.
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Whatever dude you just seem bitter. You only seem interested in attacking people. You were called out and it was spot on~
The idea of someone with the username "redneckraider" saying "Whatever Dude"
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I come in to laugh and kill time every now and then. Also post about soccer.

Sorry Kyle. You came in thinking your opinion mattered to me and you threw a little tantrum when I made it obvious it didn't. Go talk to Frazod about something. He lives for ChiefsPlanet. Someone here will make you feel as important as you would like to be.
I threw no tantrum. I told you what I (and most of the rest of the people I have heard from on this board) think of you based on your recent behavior on this "shitty board."

It's funny that now you feel the need to project your complexes on me. I'm not the one with the bloated sense of self importance. You might want to take a long hard look in a jumbo sized mirror on that one.

(Oh, and "every now and then" to the tune of 44,000 posts in 11 years? You have to have some SERIOUS time to kill.)
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I was going to use the tedious ER example.
ok this made me laugh out loud.
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The idea of someone with the username "redneckraider" saying "Whatever Dude"
Lol thats as weak as you feebly trying to play this I don't care game. You're feelings are hurt so lash out because you don't care
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