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The Double Absurdity of Ted Cruz's 'Filibuster'

Why the senator's last stand against Obamacare just doesn't make sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/279959/

Who says Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything? These days, they are largely united in their loathing for Ted Cruz, the pugnacious Republican freshman senator from Texas. On Tuesday afternoon, Cruz took the floor of the Senate and vowed to speak as long as he could stand. (His colleague Mike Lee has already taken a turn at the podium.)

For procedural reasons, Cruz's remarks, however long, do not constitute a true filibuster; the vote to move forward with government-funding legislation is scheduled to begin after noon on Wednesday and will go forward regardless. Twitter quickly dubbed his stand a "fauxlibuster" or -- perfect for its invocation of vacuous, feel-good nonsense-speech -- a "Ted Talk." Invoking the Nazis, the Soviet Union, and the Little Engine That Could, Cruz styled himself the lone crusader for right against a formidably equipped enemy.

Nearly to a one, Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare. But most also worry Cruz's defund crusade will lead to a government shutdown that hurts the GOP politically. Leaving aside the policy or even the political advisability of Cruz's undertaking, though, there are a couple of basic logical problems with what he's trying to do, as the conservative writer David Freddoso pointed out on the Conservative Intelligence Briefing website on Sunday.

1. He's trying to block the same bill he says he wants to pass. Cruz and his fellow defunders pushed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill funding the federal government but stopping funding for health-care-reform implementation. The House obeyed and passed the bill on Friday. But now that the Senate is considering the bill, Cruz wants to prevent it from being voted on. "If you’re really interested in putting pressure on Democrats to heed their constituents and vote to defund Obamacare, then you make them take the very vote that Cruz is trying to prevent from happening," Freddoso writes.

2. Shutting down the government wouldn't stop Obamacare. On Fox News on Friday, Cruz proposed passing piecemeal funding bills for "different pieces of the government," such as the military, implying Congress could fund other government functions while omitting Obamacare. But that's wrong -- the money for Obamacare isn't at stake in the continuing resolution currently under consideration. It's "mandatory" spending, akin to Medicare and Social Security, and would require action by Congress to revoke. "I’m convinced that most conservatives who have bought into [Cruz's] strategy have been misled to believe we can hold off Obamacare for a while with a government shutdown," Freddoso writes. "Obamacare is already funded, and that won’t change if this bill gets stalled by a filibuster. During the shutdown, the Marines don’t get paid, but Obamacare gets funded."

Conservatives can cheer Cruz for grabbing the nation's attention and giving an impassioned, high-profile speech. But, Freddoso argues, they shouldn't pretend this is a practical step toward stalling legislation they hate. As he wrote in another post: "This plan is right out of Alice in Wonderland. You need to prevent a vote on defunding Obamacare in order to defund Obamacare." Good luck with that, Senator.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:16 PM   #61
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It's not "me" talking about it, it was a citation which is why I put it in italics. But I'll stipulate your point that it's fair for me to post the next sentence the author posted:




In New Hampshire, where there is only one company on the exchange, the state’s largest newspaper let slip that the cheapest policy would be $398 a month. Thus, for a new graduate earning $35,000 (saddled with debt and earning too much to get any significant subsidy) this would constitute one-seventh of his or her income – for a “transfer payment” he or she will never use.

HHS has bragged that young people in selected places can get CATASTROPHIC policies – which they will never, ever use – for a “mere” $1,200 a year. Of course, this is like taking $1,200 of your meager income and burning it.

And all of this will be revealed on the day (October 1) that the new fiscal year begins.



http://www.redstate.com/mikehammond/...riations-bill/
I will restate my stance that I am not a supporter of Obamacare I am a Medicare-For-All supporter. But anyone who has looked at how to lower costs in healthcare realize that one of the best ways is to make sure everyone is in the system and paying their way. It is why your employer can get you cheaper and better insurance than you probably can on your own because they pool all the employees into it.

That is one of the reasons why car insurance is reasonable. Every state forces you to buy car insurance and it creates a huge pool for the insurance carriers.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:22 PM   #62
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Well, your first mistake was in assuming that Joe is Republican. Or at least he is a progressive, not conservative at all.
I don't agree with that. Scarborough is a Republican. He's an establishment guy for sure, but he's definitely a Republican. I'm personally not interested in running the guy out of the party - which no one is saying that as far as I know. But the guy certainly doesn't understand the fundamental shift that is happening at the grass roots level. His barometer for the base is his father, as he'll often admit, and... well... that ship has long sailed. The blue hairs are no longer setting the policy of the party. There is a clear movement towards new ideas and new direction, with the shots increasingly being called by the new guys, and the old guys having no idea how to control the situation. They should step aside, and Joe should be front running the new day, not dragging his feet and pining for 1996.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:23 PM   #63
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It's not "me" talking about it, it was a citation which is why I put it in italics. But I'll stipulate your point that it's fair for me to post the next sentence the author posted:




In New Hampshire, where there is only one company on the exchange, the state’s largest newspaper let slip that the cheapest policy would be $398 a month. Thus, for a new graduate earning $35,000 (saddled with debt and earning too much to get any significant subsidy) this would constitute one-seventh of his or her income – for a “transfer payment” he or she will never use.

HHS has bragged that young people in selected places can get CATASTROPHIC policies – which they will never, ever use – for a “mere” $1,200 a year. Of course, this is like taking $1,200 of your meager income and burning it.

And all of this will be revealed on the day (October 1) that the new fiscal year begins.



http://www.redstate.com/mikehammond/...riations-bill/
First of all, a reasonable citation at least mentions the source and preferably includes a link to that source, neither of which were included in your post.

Even if we stipulate that the guys at redstate intended to exclude catastrophic plans from their claim, they still seem to be wrong based on the data dirk provided. The $35k thing has nothing to do with it. Do you have any other possible explanations?
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:25 PM   #64
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I will restate my stance that I am not a supporter of Obamacare I am a Medicare-For-All supporter. But anyone who has looked at how to lower costs in healthcare realize that one of the best ways is to make sure everyone is in the system and paying their way. It is why your employer can get you cheaper and better insurance than you probably can on your own because they pool all the employees into it.

That is one of the reasons why car insurance is reasonable. Every state forces you to buy car insurance and it creates a huge pool for the insurance carriers.
That's not true. That's just a way of lowering costs for sick people by increasing costs for healthy people. Spreading the risk doesn't really address the underlying cost of healthcare unless so many people are eschewing health care due to a lack of insurance that the dramatic increase in demand will allow healthcare providers to take advantage of economies of scale, which isn't the case.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:28 PM   #65
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Keep digging.

There's nothing to "dig" for. Just as the citation showed, there is only 1 company on the NH exchange: Anthem Healthcare. The average premium is $360 although (a) that's an estimate and (b) it seems to be cheaper for younger folks:
http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...ealth-Overhaul


I can't believe I'm actually researching something so unimportant to me but it appears this article was written in August which likely means it cited NH's paper from even earlier. It appears since then, Anthem cut out 10/26 hospitals from reimbursement and cut back provider availability in order to extract concessions from the rest, saving 30% on premiums:
http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...ealth-Overhaul


Net: in order to get pricing down to palatable levels, the insurer cut accessibility to hospitals and services and doctors.
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Old 09-25-2013, 12:30 PM   #66
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We have a lot of horrible government programs that have built in constituencies and complexities that make their repeal very difficult. When the problems are significant enough to bubble up into the nation's consciousness, the fix is usually another layer of government and an effort to kick the problem down the road. I don't share your confidence that Obamcare will collapse under it's own weight if implemented even if it's as bad as critics think it is.
IMHO this is exactly the plan, make it so repugnant that people will be begging for the Government to take over health care.
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Obamacare was shoved down our throats whether we liked it or not. The public was not asking for it. Congress couldnt pass it without payoffs and parliamentary tricks. The entire thing has been a sham from start to finish.
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Obama ran a campaign on reform and was elected.
ACA was proposed, debated, and passed by Congress.
Obama signed it into law.
Obama was reelected.

It's a scandal!
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I will restate my stance that I am not a supporter of Obamacare I am a Medicare-For-All supporter. But anyone who has looked at how to lower costs in healthcare realize that one of the best ways is to make sure everyone is in the system and paying their way. It is why your employer can get you cheaper and better insurance than you probably can on your own because they pool all the employees into it.

That is one of the reasons why car insurance is reasonable. Every state forces you to buy car insurance and it creates a huge pool for the insurance carriers.
People buying subsidized insurance aren't paying their own way. If everyone paid the same premiums I wouldn't give a rats ass about obamacare. But because they don't thus amounts to nothing but an Obama attack on the middle class.
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Obama ran a campaign on reform and was elected.
ACA was proposed, debated, and passed by Congress.
Obama signed it into law.
Obama was reelected.

It's a scandal!
You forgot something that happened in 2010. Can't remember what that was. You'll have to refresh my memory.


As for running on it, George W. ran on Iraq in 2004 and was re-elected too. So what?
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That's not true. That's just a way of lowering costs for sick people by increasing costs for healthy people. Spreading the risk doesn't really address the underlying cost of healthcare unless so many people are eschewing health care due to a lack of insurance that the dramatic increase in demand will allow healthcare providers to take advantage of economies of scale, which isn't the case.
You are right. I was talking about premiums not cost so that is my fault for not being clear.
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People buying subsidized insurance aren't paying their own way. If everyone paid the same premiums I wouldn't give a rats ass about obamacare. .
Well, poor and elderly folk have gotten subsidized health care for decades via Medicaid/Medicare. And illegals get it completely free via ER rooms. We should've done something about that years ago so everybody understood the true costs of healthcare and had some incentive (all of us) to not over-use it. But we didn't, and that's why we have 10%+ annual inflation.
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Well, poor and elderly folk have gotten subsidized health care for decades via Medicaid/Medicare. And illegals get it completely free via ER rooms. We should've done something about that years ago so everybody understood the true costs of healthcare and had some incentive (all of us) to not over-use it. But we didn't, and that's why we have 10%+ annual inflation.
I agree. It's definitely a big part of it. But employer-provided insurance and insurance that goes way beyond the catastrophic have contributed too.
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I agree. It's definitely a big part of it. But employer-provided insurance and insurance that goes way beyond the catastrophic have contributed too.
Like every single other product or service out there: price vs quality. We get to choose. We cannot have both since that doesn't exist in reality. The interesting thing about the NH case is that Anthem noted when they cut back on access: "The consumer has told us they prefer lower prices".

If that's true, that's fine. If Cosmo or Zach or Obama were arguing that we need to restrict the growth in costs so we could apply the savings to growing the economy....I would buy that argument. Just as I would if they said the opposite - we need to spend more to take better care of people/insure more. But when they say we can do both, that's insane.
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I can't understand why the GOP is fighting this so much. Just let it be implemented, keep your mouths shut, and let it collapse under it's own weight. If it's really a horrible plan (and it likely will be), it'll collapse. Let the Democrats OWN their stupidity, let them hang themselves.
They are fighting because they're afraid it will succeed. They've already shown during the recession that they're not afraid to let the country crash and burn to make political gains. This is nothing more than an extended fundraising campaign by Republicans.
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