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Old 09-25-2013, 03:54 AM  
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The Double Absurdity of Ted Cruz's 'Filibuster'

Why the senator's last stand against Obamacare just doesn't make sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/279959/

Who says Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything? These days, they are largely united in their loathing for Ted Cruz, the pugnacious Republican freshman senator from Texas. On Tuesday afternoon, Cruz took the floor of the Senate and vowed to speak as long as he could stand. (His colleague Mike Lee has already taken a turn at the podium.)

For procedural reasons, Cruz's remarks, however long, do not constitute a true filibuster; the vote to move forward with government-funding legislation is scheduled to begin after noon on Wednesday and will go forward regardless. Twitter quickly dubbed his stand a "fauxlibuster" or -- perfect for its invocation of vacuous, feel-good nonsense-speech -- a "Ted Talk." Invoking the Nazis, the Soviet Union, and the Little Engine That Could, Cruz styled himself the lone crusader for right against a formidably equipped enemy.

Nearly to a one, Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare. But most also worry Cruz's defund crusade will lead to a government shutdown that hurts the GOP politically. Leaving aside the policy or even the political advisability of Cruz's undertaking, though, there are a couple of basic logical problems with what he's trying to do, as the conservative writer David Freddoso pointed out on the Conservative Intelligence Briefing website on Sunday.

1. He's trying to block the same bill he says he wants to pass. Cruz and his fellow defunders pushed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill funding the federal government but stopping funding for health-care-reform implementation. The House obeyed and passed the bill on Friday. But now that the Senate is considering the bill, Cruz wants to prevent it from being voted on. "If youíre really interested in putting pressure on Democrats to heed their constituents and vote to defund Obamacare, then you make them take the very vote that Cruz is trying to prevent from happening," Freddoso writes.

2. Shutting down the government wouldn't stop Obamacare. On Fox News on Friday, Cruz proposed passing piecemeal funding bills for "different pieces of the government," such as the military, implying Congress could fund other government functions while omitting Obamacare. But that's wrong -- the money for Obamacare isn't at stake in the continuing resolution currently under consideration. It's "mandatory" spending, akin to Medicare and Social Security, and would require action by Congress to revoke. "Iím convinced that most conservatives who have bought into [Cruz's] strategy have been misled to believe we can hold off Obamacare for a while with a government shutdown," Freddoso writes. "Obamacare is already funded, and that wonít change if this bill gets stalled by a filibuster. During the shutdown, the Marines donít get paid, but Obamacare gets funded."

Conservatives can cheer Cruz for grabbing the nation's attention and giving an impassioned, high-profile speech. But, Freddoso argues, they shouldn't pretend this is a practical step toward stalling legislation they hate. As he wrote in another post: "This plan is right out of Alice in Wonderland. You need to prevent a vote on defunding Obamacare in order to defund Obamacare." Good luck with that, Senator.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:29 AM   #31
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:31 AM   #32
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We are sparking revolt here. Keep up.

Or so I hear.
How do you explain the flurry of publicity today about Cruz' filibuster in protest of Obamacare if the content of his filibuster is the critical factor? You're not really thinking this through.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:33 AM   #33
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Zach really thought he had a gem with this thread. Turns out, he doesn't even understand what's going on. What a dope.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:34 AM   #34
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:38 AM   #35
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Zach really thought he had a gem with this thread. Turns out, he doesn't even understand what's going on. What a dope.
This thread is for my entertainment. The GOP is fractured and useless if I create it or not.

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Old 09-25-2013, 09:42 AM   #36
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This thread is for my entertainment. The GOP is fractured and useless if I create it or not.

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You're lucky to be able to be entertained while looking foolish. I bet that comes in handy pretty frequently.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:43 AM   #37
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:45 AM   #38
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You're lucky to be able to be entertained while looking foolish. I bet that comes in handy pretty frequently.
Imagine my complete surprise that you are not as entertained by the GOP being fractured and worthless as I am.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:17 AM   #40
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I see that too. But you said my post wasn't accurate. Why did you say that when your link doesn't even disprove it?
Don't be coy. Explain why his link doesn't disprove what you said, because I'm not seeing it.
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It's funny the way Cruz's critics look down their noses at him while completely misunderstanding what he's trying to do. According to Cruz, the only way to succeed at repealing Obamacare, or even at limiting it's funding, is to spark a popular revolt that will move some democrat votes in the Senate to the anti-Obamacare side. He's not filibustering* the House bill to stop the House bill. He's doing it to get publicity in the hope that the public will generate pressure on the Senate so that when the vote comes there's a chance of sending the House version to the President for his signature.

* And speaking of bizarre, nonsensical criticisms, this stuff about Cruz's maneuver not technically being a filibuster is ridiculous. As long as he holds the floor, nothing can be done. That's a filibuster in fact even if it's technically not a filibuster taking place during the debate over the bill he's blocking.
I understand the Democrats who are trying to miscast this as some form of folly, but what truly boggles me are the Republicans who are coming out to bash on Cruz. I listen to Morning Joe nearly every single day, and Scarborough is unhinged over Cruz and takes every chance he can get to bust on him. I can't help but laugh at how out of touch Joe ends up being with the Republican base as he does it. Cruz is coming out looking like a fighter worth backing - a guy that the Republican base can get behind.

And who does Joe think is better? What other young leaders is Joe getting behind?
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Don't be coy. Explain why his link doesn't disprove what you said, because I'm not seeing it.
Do your own homework, twit. Besides, it's incumbent on him to disprove my statement, not for me to disprove his rebuttal. That's how debate works. Get a clue.
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