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Old 09-25-2013, 04:54 AM  
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The Double Absurdity of Ted Cruz's 'Filibuster'

Why the senator's last stand against Obamacare just doesn't make sense.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...buster/279959/

Who says Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything? These days, they are largely united in their loathing for Ted Cruz, the pugnacious Republican freshman senator from Texas. On Tuesday afternoon, Cruz took the floor of the Senate and vowed to speak as long as he could stand. (His colleague Mike Lee has already taken a turn at the podium.)

For procedural reasons, Cruz's remarks, however long, do not constitute a true filibuster; the vote to move forward with government-funding legislation is scheduled to begin after noon on Wednesday and will go forward regardless. Twitter quickly dubbed his stand a "fauxlibuster" or -- perfect for its invocation of vacuous, feel-good nonsense-speech -- a "Ted Talk." Invoking the Nazis, the Soviet Union, and the Little Engine That Could, Cruz styled himself the lone crusader for right against a formidably equipped enemy.

Nearly to a one, Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare. But most also worry Cruz's defund crusade will lead to a government shutdown that hurts the GOP politically. Leaving aside the policy or even the political advisability of Cruz's undertaking, though, there are a couple of basic logical problems with what he's trying to do, as the conservative writer David Freddoso pointed out on the Conservative Intelligence Briefing website on Sunday.

1. He's trying to block the same bill he says he wants to pass. Cruz and his fellow defunders pushed the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill funding the federal government but stopping funding for health-care-reform implementation. The House obeyed and passed the bill on Friday. But now that the Senate is considering the bill, Cruz wants to prevent it from being voted on. "If you’re really interested in putting pressure on Democrats to heed their constituents and vote to defund Obamacare, then you make them take the very vote that Cruz is trying to prevent from happening," Freddoso writes.

2. Shutting down the government wouldn't stop Obamacare. On Fox News on Friday, Cruz proposed passing piecemeal funding bills for "different pieces of the government," such as the military, implying Congress could fund other government functions while omitting Obamacare. But that's wrong -- the money for Obamacare isn't at stake in the continuing resolution currently under consideration. It's "mandatory" spending, akin to Medicare and Social Security, and would require action by Congress to revoke. "I’m convinced that most conservatives who have bought into [Cruz's] strategy have been misled to believe we can hold off Obamacare for a while with a government shutdown," Freddoso writes. "Obamacare is already funded, and that won’t change if this bill gets stalled by a filibuster. During the shutdown, the Marines don’t get paid, but Obamacare gets funded."

Conservatives can cheer Cruz for grabbing the nation's attention and giving an impassioned, high-profile speech. But, Freddoso argues, they shouldn't pretend this is a practical step toward stalling legislation they hate. As he wrote in another post: "This plan is right out of Alice in Wonderland. You need to prevent a vote on defunding Obamacare in order to defund Obamacare." Good luck with that, Senator.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:35 AM   #16
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They really should let it go on through, especially considering it was what the GOP themselves were pushing for in the 90s.
In New Hampshire, where there is only one company on the exchange, the state’s largest newspaper let slip that the cheapest policy would be $398 a month. Thus, for a new graduate earning $35,000 (saddled with debt and earning too much to get any significant subsidy) this would constitute one-seventh of his or her income – for a “transfer payment” he or she will never use.

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In New Hampshire, where there is only one company on the exchange, the state’s largest newspaper let slip that the cheapest policy would be $398 a month. Thus, for a new graduate earning $35,000 (saddled with debt and earning too much to get any significant subsidy) this would constitute one-seventh of his or her income – for a “transfer payment” he or she will never use.

Well we had to pass it to see what was in it....can't have buyers remorse with logic like that.
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:41 AM   #18
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:50 AM   #19
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In New Hampshire, where there is only one company on the exchange, the state’s largest newspaper let slip that the cheapest policy would be $398 a month. Thus, for a new graduate earning $35,000 (saddled with debt and earning too much to get any significant subsidy) this would constitute one-seventh of his or her income – for a “transfer payment” he or she will never use.

seems legit!
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According to Cruz, the only way to succeed at repealing Obamacare, or even at limiting it's funding, is to spark a popular revolt that will move some democrat votes in the Senate to the anti-Obamacare side.

He was talking about pudding that had gone bad at a salad bar this morning.

Seems like a solid start.
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Well we had to pass it to see what was in it....can't have buyers remorse with logic like that.
Yeah but the young Dem voters love their gay marriage, pot and amnesty. That'll be enough to keep them at bay while they get fist-fcked by all the horrible economic problems their Party puts on them. Mandatory health insurance to fund old farts? SO WHAT! Gimme my gay marriage dammit so I can look cool on facebook
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seems legit!
It's not. Here are the just released numbers from HHS.

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He was talking about pudding that had gone bad at a salad bar this morning.

Seems like a solid start.
I take it that you're not familiar with filibusters.
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It's not. Here are the just released numbers from HHS.

I'm guessing if you're smart enough to embed that chart into your post, you're smart enough to read it first and spot your mistake.
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cruz is a posturing piece of shit.
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I'm guessing if you're smart enough to embed that chart into your post, you're smart enough to read it first and spot your mistake.
I see that a 27 year old in NH can get a Catastrophic Plan for $157.
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I take it that you're not familiar with filibusters.
I thought this was a movement!
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He was talking about pudding that had gone bad at a salad bar this morning.

Seems like a solid start.
Ridiculous. I heard a democrat some years ago reciting his grandmother's recipe book...why can't he do something productive like that?
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Ridiculous. I heard a democrat some years ago reciting his grandmother's recipe book...why can't he do something productive like that?
We are sparking revolt here. Keep up.

Or so I hear.
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I thought this was a movement!
Did you really? It's not apparent.
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