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Sac's 2014 Chiefs Draft - Less Than a Month Away Mock

Update time for the mock to reflect the needs of the Chiefs as they appear with less than a month to the actual event - the 2014 NFL Draft.

Round 1. Kyle Van Noy, LB; BYU: 6'3 1/2", 243 lbs., 31 5/8" arms, 9 5/8" hands

- For a long time, Odell Beckham, WR; LSU, has been in this spot. After recent epiphanies (the depth of the WR position in the draft, the need for position free versatility in the LB corps, etc.), Van Noy is now the most logical and needed pick for the Chiefs with their first round selection. Van Noy is the most fluid and instinctual player in this draft. He has an uncanny ability to understand and diagnose a play from it's inception. He finds the ball exceptionally well and takes near perfect angles in pursuit. He's an excellent pass rusher with a variety of moves. He has terrific burst and plays sideline to sideline. He's excellent in coverage as well, showing not only top notch instincts but extremely fluid hips and feet and hands. Van Noy is position independent, capable of lining up at any of the four LB spots. He's also a superb special teams player, blocking numerous kicks/punts over his career. A vocal team leader.

Van Noy finishes his college career with the third highest Tackles For Loss in NCAA football history. 223 tackles, 61.5 tfl, 26 sacks, 7 Ints, 21 passes defensed, 11 forced fumbles (with three recovered for TD's). The guy is an impact four down playmaker.

Combine numbers for KVN:

Bench: 21 reps
40: 4.71
Vertical: 32.5"
Broad: 112"
3 Cone: 7.22 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.20 seconds

Van Noy stood on his combine numbers at the BYU Pro Day and just worked for teams in positional drills. Has been working out/training at since the Combine.

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Has a muscular, well-proportioned build. Quick get-off. Knifes gaps. Good pass-rush ability -- can push the pocket or pressure the edge. Keeps working to the quarterback and has deceptive closing speed. Eyes the quarterback and tries to get his hands in the passing lane. Athletic with good movement skills in all directions -- equipped to keep pace with backs and tight ends in coverage. Is rangy and can open up his stride and run vertical. Glides on the field. Scheme versatile. Football smart. - NFL.com
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•A very fluid athlete, which is hardly surprising when you look at his history. However turning to run in coverage was about as fluid as I've seen from a linebacker. Flips the hips well, and has a good break on the football in coverage.
•Active hands. It's unusual to have two positives to start based on coverage, but he really does do a nice job of getting his hands in-between the football and the receiver.
•Good change of direction. Really plants that foot and explodes either in pass coverage or in run support.
•Excellent awareness. Really has a feel for the game and takes good angles and barely every takes the incorrect first step.
•Leader: Showed a lot of character to battle through some injuries in 2013, and was seen as the defensive leader on the field, very vocal and willing to do the dirty work.
•Shows a nice array of pass rushing moves, has enough speed to trouble the edge but also mixes in some moves to keep offensive lineman off balance.
•Works through traffic well and just seems to disengage at the exact moment he should to make the tackle. Which comes down to having a good feel for the game. - SBNation






Round 3. Cyril Richardson, OL; Baylor: 6'5", 329 lbs., 34 5/8" arms, 9 1/2" hands
- The OG position is one of huge need for the Chiefs. While they signed former Indianapolis Colts OL Jeff Linkenbach, there is no one who believes that he's anything more than insurance/depth for the now depleted KC offensive line, which saw the loss of Jon Asamoah and Jeff Schwartz in free agency.

Richardson was once considered a first round lock, but you can thank Pitt's Aaron Donald at the Senior Bowl for this gift of a pick. Richardson is an outstanding offensive line prospect with size and power who has played and excelled at both guard and tackle during his time with the Bears. 2013 First Team All-American, All-Conference, Big 12 Offensive Lineman of the Year and finalist for the Outland Trophy. He's got as much potential to be an All-Pro level guard as anyone in this draft. An absolute steal if he is here with this pick for the Chiefs.

Bench: 25 reps
40: 5.36 seconds
Vertical: 25.5"
Broad: 91"
3 Cone: 7.70 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.83 seconds

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Outstanding size and girth with legitimate NFL strength. Sturdy base and heavy anchor -- squats a small house and is dependable in pass protection. Generates movement in the run game. Can work his hips and gain positioning. Walls off and seals. Packs a jolting punch and plays with a load in his hands -- latches on, controls and steers. Wins in a phone booth and can manhandle smaller linemen. Enough balance, coordination and foot speed to pull and trap effectively. Has played tackle and guard. Conditioned in an up-tempo, no-huddle offense. - NFL.com


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Richardson ran the 40-yard dash in 5.23 and 5.28 seconds. Richardson, who has 34 3/8-inch arms, did 30 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press (at Baylor's Pro Day). Richardson has lost about 20 pounds since the end of the 2013 season when he was at the Reese’s Senior Bowl. He has worked hard to lose that weight and that hard work paid off at Baylor’s pro day, when he looked very good; he looked like the Richardson we remembered from a year ago when he was one of the most highly regarded offensive line prospects in the nation. He had gotten too heavy in 2013 and did not move well enough to be considered a top line prospect. Now, however, he might have moved back into second-round consideration for the 2014 NFL Draft after falling down into the third-round range with all that weight.




Round 4. Devin Street, WR; Pittsburgh: Senior: 6'3", 198 lbs., 33 3/8" arms, 9 1/4" hands

- While the Chiefs didn't have much luck with the last Pitt WR they took, Street is a different type of animal. Superb hands, long arms and tireless work ethic, Street is the career receptions leader for Pitt and third all-time in yardage. He highpoints the ball extremely well, and is a crisp, precision route runner with no fear of catching balls over the middle of the field. His size, speed, vertical, route running and hands give him a real shot at being a true #1 WR in a couple of years.

Combine numbers:

40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

At Pitt's Pro Day, scouts timed him at 4.46 in the 40.

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Has excellent length and room for added bulk. Chews up ground with long strides. Is a big target underneath with a sizable catch radius. Shows natural receiving skills to track, concentrate and adjust. Soft, dependable hands to extend and pull in a throw off his body. Uses his big frame to post up defensive backs. Nice field awareness. Lined up outside and inside. Solid personal and football character. Productive, 40-game starter. Team captain. - NFL.com
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Devin Street is one of the best pass-catchers in the draft. He has absolutely fantastic hands and an uncanny ability to spear the ball at its' highest point. Instead of trying to catch with his chest, he prefers to use his strong hands to tear the ball out of the air, or out of cornerbacks' hands. He has great timing and great coordination, which allows him to win jump balls regularly and adjust to mis-throws. He is a good route runner and can work the sidelines well, displaying the ability to drag his feet several times in his tape. Having dealt with an inconsistent situation at quarterback throughout his time at Pitt, Street has developed a knack for being in the right place while his quarterback improvises, often having to peel off his route to come back to the ball. His size is ideal for a wideout, as his 6'4'' frame provides a lengthy target for the quarterback. While he works the sidelines well, he doesn't shy away from the middle of the field, and actually runs a very polished slant route. As Pitt's all-time leading pass-catcher with 202 career receptions, he obviously boasts a substantial college résumé. - SBNation




Round 5. Matt Patchan, OT; Boston College: 6'6", 302 lb., 33" arms, 9 3/8" hands
- The Chiefs really don't have anyone behind Fisher and Stephenson at the offensive tackle position and haven't addressed it/overpaid for it during free agency. Patchan is an enigma. He literally could be one the best offensive tackles in this draft. He was a highly sought after prep recruit (top 50 overall/top 5 OL prospect) that originally signed with Miami. He's an absolute freak athletically (compares very well to both Fisher and Stephenson in that regard). Has excellent footwork, very good hands and is incredible at getting into the second level. Plays nasty. However, he's hardly ever been on the field due to a series of freak accidents unrelated to football including not one, but two scooter crashes and getting shot in the shoulder in a Miami park as a bystander as well as numerous football related injuries that include a torn pec, ACL, wrist, etc.

2013 was really the first time that he played a full college season and he was rewarded with a 2nd Team All-Conference nod and multiple Conference Offensive Line Player of the Week Awards. You just can't overlook this level of athleticism. The tools and attitude are there.

Combine numbers:
40: 4.97
Bench: 22 reps
Vertical: 33.5"

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Highly impressive raw numbers from the combine…Terrific athlete in the straight-line with some explosive characteristics…Can lead block down the field with the mobility of most tight ends…Takes sharp angles down the field and is very rangy…Plays with eyes up to see moving defenders, aids effectiveness as a combo blocker or handling stunts in pass protection…Places hands well to keep them inside the frame of defenders…Is a sticky blocker who’s tough to disengage from if he stays balanced on contact…Explodes off the ball as a power run blocker and can drop pads well enough into contact…Can deliver highly impactful blocks with a heavy punch…Will finish by driving defenders into the ground, great mentality…Son of an NFL offensive lineman.
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Looks the part of an NFL offensive tackle with broad shoulders, long arms and a trim middle. Very good initial quickness off the snap, firing off the ball when run-blocking to turn and seal his opponent from the action. Surprising straight-line speed to get to the second level and shows good lateral agility and body control to adjust to moving targets.

Easy athleticism is apparent in pass protection, as well, showing the balance and fluidity to remain outside in the NFL, perhaps even at left tackle (as he played for BC). Plays with good knee bend and on the balls of his feet, showing the ability to slide laterally, keeping his shoulders square to the defender. Latches onto opponents and shows good strength in his hands to control once engaged.

Undeniable talent whose question marks are largely off the field.




Round 6. Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State: 6'1", 337 lbs., 31 3/4" arms, 9 3/8" hands
- For some reason, the Chiefs FO/coaching staff just hasn't dedicated the backup NT spot to Jerrell "The Landshark" Powe. As such, there is a perceived hole behind Dontari Poe as the two down NT.

The word "massive" is apropos describing Carrethers, who is literally built like a sequoia tree trunk. The really nice thing that he does well is he's very instinctive in finding the ball carrier evidenced by having one game where he had more tackles in a single game than any other defensive lineman in college in 2013 (16 tackles). First team All-Conference.

Bench: 32 reps
40: 5.47 seconds
Vertical: 26"
Broad: 88"
3 Cone: 7.89
20 Shuttle: 4.60

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Big and thick with outstanding weight-room strength -- squats a small house and maintains low body fat. Has sheer mass and natural girth to dig in and hold his ground vs. double teams. Has a wrestling background and understands leverage. Has two-gap ability. Heavy tackler. Nice effort for a big man. Tough and durable. Solid personal and football character -- is devoted to his craft and has a professional approach to the game. - NFL.com




Round 6. Dontae Johnson, DB; North Carolina State: 6'2", 200 lbs., 31 1/2" arms, 8 5/8" hands
- Johnson is an athletic, heady player who has played all over the Wolfpack defense including CB, OLB, SS and FS. While the Chiefs have added Jerron McMillian at S and Chris Owens at CB to the 2014 roster, Johnson gives them a player who will be able to play either slot effectively. Would be a great addition in terms of depth and special teams play.

Bench: 12 reps
40: 4.45 seconds
Vertical: 38.5"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.82 seconds
20 Shuttle: 4.24 seconds
60 Shuttle: 11.06 seconds

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Good balance and athleticism. Can run with tight ends in coverage. Good zone awareness. Efficient plant-and-drive. Nice length to compete in the air. Sets a hard edge as a force player -- works to get off blocks, throws his weight around and tackles aggressively. Has played safety, cornerback, nickel and special teams. Smart and hardworking. - NFL.com





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Old 01-07-2014, 08:05 PM   #166
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Not sure if he's quite as fast or quick as Smith in his prime, looks good nonetheless... reaches out for his grabs, will go up in traffic, can adjust to the ball in the air.

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Old 01-09-2014, 10:22 AM   #167
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Not sure if he's quite as fast or quick as Smith in his prime, looks good nonetheless... reaches out for his grabs, will go up in traffic, can adjust to the ball in the air.
Yeah, I think he's damn near prototype as a slot receiver at the next level. (And that position in and of itself has become one of the more important positions in the modern age of the NFL.)

As I stated in some other thread, if they could pick up a guy like Riley Cooper in free agency (which would solve a lot of the Chiefs problems in terms of having a WR capable of running solid routes with reliable hands) and then get a guy like Beckham for the slot, it would infinitely upgrade the Chiefs offense.

The thing is, FS is a huge concern. I had hopes that Kendrick Lewis would build on the potential he showed as a rookie, where he seemed to show some pretty good cover skills. However, I think primarily due to the shoulder injury, he's been tentative and slow to react. It might also be scheme change. Who knows, but this season he was not good and I'd be worried about going forward without addressing the position.

I had hopes for Brad McDougald, as he had a monster preseason and was really just learning the position after being a WR for most of his college career (why he chose KU over Ohio State as the Jayhawks were going to let him play wideout while the Buckeyes were moving him to safety). A lot of potential, but after enough musical chairs with game day roster and practice squad, he got highjacked by the Buccaneers 3/4 through the season. Bummer.

As such, a guy like Clinton-Dix, who has played free safety in a 34 at Alabama, would be very tempting if he was there when the Chiefs picked in the first round over a WR prospect - as the draft is heavy at the wideout position and you will be able to get high quality guys later in the draft versus the safety positon, which is incredibly thin.
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Yeah, if Clinton-Dix has survived to 23, you really, really need to look at him.

The problem, however: you need to examine the history books and see how many teams that spend two first rounders on safeties do in the Super Bowl.
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So only 2 Linemen and 1 player from Utah in a Sac draft? OK this is cut and paste from somewhere.
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I can't wait to see the first time he drops a ball. This fanbase is retarded when it comes to WRs.
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I honestly don't think that any safety available in the draft this year will be an immediate upgrade over what is already inhouse. None of the safeties are worth a 1st rounder.
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I can't wait to see the first time he drops a ball. This fanbase is retarded when it comes to WRs.
This.

People don't understand just how many times truly great WRs drop passes.

Jerry Rice was NOT the sure-hands asshole many fans of the Chiefs probably think he is. And the same goes for Andre Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, and a bunch of other very good starting WRs for other teams.
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Yeah, if Clinton-Dix has survived to 23, you really, really need to look at him.

The problem, however: you need to examine the history books and see how many teams that spend two first rounders on safeties do in the Super Bowl.
Hmmm. Never thought about it that way.
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I honestly don't think that any safety available in the draft this year will be an immediate upgrade over what is already inhouse. None of the safeties are worth a 1st rounder.
Lol. A blocking dummy would be more effective than Lewis.
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This.

People don't understand just how many times truly great WRs drop passes.

Jerry Rice was NOT the sure-hands asshole many fans of the Chiefs probably think he is. And the same goes for Andre Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, and a bunch of other very good starting WRs for other teams.
Crabtree was stone hands. About the only receivers I can recall being just nails. Keenan Allen, Calvin, Fitzgerald.
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Yeah, if Clinton-Dix has survived to 23, you really, really need to look at him.

The problem, however: you need to examine the history books and see how many teams that spend two first rounders on safeties do in the Super Bowl.
All I know is that if our FS plays at a high level, he is ball-hawking on crossing routes, picking up deep routes for our corners and making ****ing tackles and those are the biggest cracks our defense showed. Shore those up and all of a sudden that pass rush is in the picture again. It would really elevate this defense to the point where we sweep SD, take one from Denver and beat Indy in the playoffs. In fact, I would go as far as saying that if we had better free safety play, the only game it doesn't make a ridiculous difference in is the first Indy game. All that said, I would just as soon shore up the safety position via free agency since it is the most glaring team weakness. It really frees us up to do BPA in the draft.
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All I know is that if our FS plays at a high level, he is ball-hawking on crossing routes, picking up deep routes for our corners and making ****ing tackles and those are the biggest cracks our defense showed. Shore those up and all of a sudden that pass rush is in the picture again. It would really elevate this defense to the point where we sweep SD, take one from Denver and beat Indy in the playoffs. In fact, I would go as far as saying that if we had better free safety play, the only game it doesn't make a ridiculous difference in is the first Indy game. All that said, I would just as soon shore up the safety position via free agency since it is the most glaring team weakness. It really frees us up to do BPA in the draft.
Agreed. When he was a rookie I really liked nate allen. He will be a free agent. Wonder if he will get a look
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Agreed. When he was a rookie I really liked nate allen. He will be a free agent. Wonder if he will get a look
Do you know the word? Byrd is the word. I doubt that the Bills will let him test the market though.

Possibility of taking Dion Bailey in the 3rd-4th and putting him at SS while letting Flowers be the center fielder? Bailey did a lot of what Flowers was asked to do this year, moving down into the box as well as being moved back to the traditional safety position. I would like Pryor over Bailey but he will most likely test himself out of the Chiefs' 3rd round pick.

Another intiguing player is Lamarcus Joyner. Really undersized but is a play maker from the SS position. Reminds me a lot of Honey Badger, Bob Sanders (when he was good), and Donte Hitner. Seems to have excellent instincts, quickness, fearlessness, and drive to make the play. He's just a lot smaller than you would like, especially with much bigger receivers in the NFL. If he were just a couple of inches taller he would probably be seen as the best safety prospect in this draft.

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Old 01-10-2014, 10:42 AM   #179
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Eric Berry isn't a free safety. No how, no way. He's a front end box strong safety. Maybe the best in the NFL, but he's not a free safety in any shape or form.

He's got the hyper athleticism that says he could be, but he's not.

Forget about this option.

Personally, I wouldn't mind either Flowers or Sean Smith at free safety. Flowers hits like a truck, relishes it in fact, and we all know he can cover. He was basically playing the nickel/second free safety spot in the zone the last part of the season while Cooper picked up the outside. (Personally, I feel that his injury and subsequent lack of presence in the Colts playoff game was the biggest detriment to the Chiefs in that game.)

And I thought the Chiefs should have looked at Sean Smith as a free safety coming out of college.

And we have the enigmatic Sanders Commings, who you can lump into the Travis Kelce pile. All the talent in the world, but are we ever going to see any of it at Arrowhead. Commings is fast as shit, hits like a loaded blackjack and can cover. However, he's had injuries that haven't let him see the field. Potential is there to have him start as early as next year, pushing Lewis into third option dime defensive back and making Dunta Robinson a ghost.

As well, Abdullah, who fell off NFL radars because of his year long religious sabbatical, can play. He has a very good feel for the ball in coverage and is willing to come up and make the big hit.

Like the tight end position and Kelce, if Commings is 100% by the start of 2014, the safety position doesn't need to be addressed. Berry, Commings, Abdullah, Demps and Lewis is a solid rotation (and you could throw Flowers into that mix if you want). I'd love to see them try to get McDougald back from the Bucs as well, as I thought he looked better than any other safety on roster in the preseason.

And I think that Byrd is a pipe dream. Much like Dennis Pitta at Baltimore, there is no way that the Bills are going to let him walk. He's their favorite son on a defense that's loaded with talent.

Now, however, I would love to see the Chiefs pick up Dennis Pitta and Jarius Byrd in free agency and have both position absolutely loaded, however both are gong to be very expensive and both will most likely be recipients of a franchise tag if a deal isn't worked out.
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Yeah, I think he's damn near prototype as a slot receiver at the next level. (And that position in and of itself has become one of the more important positions in the modern age of the NFL.)

As I stated in some other thread, if they could pick up a guy like Riley Cooper in free agency (which would solve a lot of the Chiefs problems in terms of having a WR capable of running solid routes with reliable hands) and then get a guy like Beckham for the slot, it would infinitely upgrade the Chiefs offense.

The thing is, FS is a huge concern. I had hopes that Kendrick Lewis would build on the potential he showed as a rookie, where he seemed to show some pretty good cover skills. However, I think primarily due to the shoulder injury, he's been tentative and slow to react. It might also be scheme change. Who knows, but this season he was not good and I'd be worried about going forward without addressing the position.

I had hopes for Brad McDougald, as he had a monster preseason and was really just learning the position after being a WR for most of his college career (why he chose KU over Ohio State as the Jayhawks were going to let him play wideout while the Buckeyes were moving him to safety). A lot of potential, but after enough musical chairs with game day roster and practice squad, he got highjacked by the Buccaneers 3/4 through the season. Bummer.

As such, a guy like Clinton-Dix, who has played free safety in a 34 at Alabama, would be very tempting if he was there when the Chiefs picked in the first round over a WR prospect - as the draft is heavy at the wideout position and you will be able to get high quality guys later in the draft versus the safety positon, which is incredibly thin.
WR, FS... I'm pretty much fine with either one with the first pick, they just have to makes sure they hit on him. I'd prefer a FS since he would probably have more impact than a receiver right away, but as long as they do something to address the other position in free agency I'd be fine with it.
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