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The face of the GOP's stereotypical "welfare queens"

'I'm working as hard as I can': For the poor, the costs of life can be higher

By Hannah Rappleye, NBC News
PHILADELPHIA -- On some days, Yolanda Williams says she wonders why it痴 so hard to stay alive. 的知 working as hard as I can. Every time I talk to my boss I ask, 選s there any more work?樗

Williams works part-time as a home-health aide so that she can also attend the Kaplan school to study medical billing. For about 17 hours a week of work, at $10 an hour, she takes home about $298 every two weeks, which she uses to support her disabled husband and her 21-year-old daughter, both of whom are unemployed.

的知 trying to go to school so I can get a better job, so I can get off welfare, added Williams, who receives food stamps and Medicaid. 的f that means I have to be on the bus 24 hours a day, I値l do it.

Her weekly toil which includes nearly 30 hours on buses underscores one of the truths of life for the millions of American living with poverty: it痴 expensive to be poor.

Williams and her family live in north Philadelphia. She spends her check only on the essentials: rent, gas and electric, bus passes, a phone. She doesn稚 have cable or internet.

"If you own a home, plus childcare, plus commuting costs you can be well above poverty and still not be able to make ends meet, said Professor Scott Allard, an expert in poverty and the social safety net at University of Chicago. 添ou池e not doing anything wrong. You池e playing by the rules but you池e not making it."

Time is money
The expression 鍍ime is money is especially true for the poor.

Yolanda Williams prepares for her Medical Billing and Coding training class at the Kaplan Career Institute.

Those who earn little have to work long hours to make enough, and often spend more time than the well-off managing the basics of their lives. Not having paid sick days means losing wages when a loved one has a medical emergency, or child care falls through. Not having a washing machine means extra hours at the laundromat. And just getting to and from work can take hours.

Every Monday through Friday, and sometimes on the weekends, Williams leaves home at 7:20 a.m. and takes three public buses to school. She arrives at 9 a.m., and finishes at 2 p.m., sometimes lingering to finish homework. Then she leaves for work, taking three more buses to get to her client痴 home in West Philadelphia.

The trip back to her house means two more buses, and arriving home around 10 p.m.

The 28 hours a week, spent waiting for, or riding, the bus, have become another part-time job. Because the agency that employs her requires she pick up her paycheck in person, she takes another two-hour, round-trip, bus ride every two weeks.

的 pretty much spend most of my time on the bus, Williams said.

If Williams had a car, she could cut her travel time significantly. Low-income individuals and families in desperate need of a car often turn to so-called 澱uy-here-pay-here car dealers, which typically offer high-mileage, used cars and in-house financing to those without good credit. Loans from these outlets carry an average interest rate of 24 percent, according to the Center for Responsible Lending, and the industry is little-regulated.

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Studies show low-income people pay a larger share of their incomes for health care. Low-income workers are less likely to receive employer health insurance, or even sick pay, making a day off more costly. Medical care can quickly become medical debt, which can hound people for years, if not a lifetime.

While public programs like Medicaid and CHIP provide health care for low-income individuals and children, getting enrolled and staying on those programs can be tough. Moreover, many working poor earn too much to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to purchase coverage.

That痴 what happened to Williams two years ago after she lost her job as a bus driver. On unemployment, she applied for coverage through Philadelphia痴 Health Care Partners, a Medicaid managed care organization. She was told she received too much unemployment income to qualify. When her unemployment benefits ran out, she applied again. A paperwork snafu delayed their enrollment for nearly a year. The delay had real health effects for the couple, both of whom have diabetes, a disease which disproportionately affects low-income people.

展e couldn稚 afford to go to the doctor, she said. 展e didn稚 have medicine. We were under control when we had medical insurance.

Banking also is more expensive for poor people.

About 28.3 percent, or one in four American households, are what the FDIC calls 砥nder or 砥nbanked. Underbanked households use a bank account, but also use alternative financial services, such as payday loans or check-cashing outlets. The unbanked don稚 use any accounts at all.

According to the FDIC, 17 million adults in the U.S. live in unbanked households.

Williams catches a SEPTA bus in the morning on her way to class.
Typically, the un or underbanked are low-income individuals or families. They rely on non-traditional banking services like check-cashing stores that carry fees that can add up to hundreds of dollars a month. Pre-paid debit cards often the only kind of plastic low-income people with poor credit ratings can get -- also carry transaction and card-loading fees.

Williams uses a local check-cashing outlet to get her bi-weekly pay. She's charged a fee each time she cashes a check, but as she explains, why set up a bank or savings account when you can稚 put anything in it?

的 know I work harder than $298, she said. 鉄ometimes I get my check and I feel like crying. I知 not even in a rush to cash it, because you know they take a little bit more out when you cash it.

Williams expects to graduate from her program this November. She痴 confident that her two degrees, plus her experience as a home aid, will land her a full-time job with benefits and a living wage.

展hen we both worked and were bringing home a nice pay, it was simple, Williams said. 展e had a car, we had life insurance, we had car insurance. We had enough to pay the bills with a little something left over.

Now, she added, life is more complicated. 的 don稚 want to be on welfare any longer than I have to, she said.

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Old 08-04-2013, 05:40 PM   #76
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Yes, what is your point.

Lead me from Social Security -or insuring people have an income through their retirement years - to corporate Welfare. Because that is a big jump.

One is caring for people who don't and can't work anymore, something Eisenhower supported, one is giving money to profitable companies.

One is caring for fellow American's. One is crony capitalism.

So yes, I am having a bit of trouble lumping all that under democratic dependency state.
This line of discussion hasn't been exclusively about corporate welfare, moron. It's about the dependency policies that the left has been pushing for almost a century now. Even when Republicans get into the game, like with GWBush's prescription drug program, democrats fight to go even further.

But in addition to the corrosive effects of dependency that have been visited upon individuals (both rich and poor) in this country, both political parties have been involved in corporate welfare and crony capitalism. It's all of byproduct of big government.
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #77
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I actually go one to example the nope, you just leave it at that.

You should try it my way once.
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Ah, agriculture.

I don't think there is a government out there that will not subside agriculture. Nothing leads to the overthrow of a government quicker than food riots. But that is neither here nor there.

I mean seriously, not trying to argue more right here, but I bet if Rand herself would start up a country and there would be subsides somewhere for agriculture.
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This line of discussion hasn't been exclusively about corporate welfare, moron. It's about the dependency policies that the left has been pushing for almost a century now. Even when Republicans get into the game, like with GWBush's prescription drug program, democrats fight to go even further.

But in addition to the corrosive effects of dependency that have been visited upon individuals (both rich and poor) in this country, both political parties have been involved in corporate welfare and crony capitalism. It's all of byproduct of big government.
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Ah, agriculture.

I don't think there is a government out there that will not subside agriculture. Nothing leads to the overthrow of a government quicker than food riots. But that is neither here nor there.

I mean seriously, not trying to argue more right here, but I bet if Rand herself would start up a country and there would be subsides somewhere for agriculture.
If you don't want examples, don't ask for them. The GOP tried to cut MAP last year and the Democrats blocked it.
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Ah, agriculture.

I don't think there is a government out there that will not subside agriculture. Nothing leads to the overthrow of a government quicker than food riots. But that is neither here nor there.

I mean seriously, not trying to argue more right here, but I bet if Rand herself would start up a country and there would be subsides somewhere for agriculture.
That's why people are rioting in other countries over food prices, then right?
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This line of discussion hasn't been exclusively about corporate welfare, moron. It's about the dependency policies that the left has been pushing for almost a century now. Even when Republicans get into the game, like with GWBush's prescription drug program, democrats fight to go even further.

But in addition to the corrosive effects of dependency that have been visited upon individuals (both rich and poor) in this country, both political parties have been involved in corporate welfare and crony capitalism. It's all of byproduct of big government.
So you when post Democrats this, Democrats that, you actually mean democrats and republicans, you just forget or drop the republican part?
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Ah, agriculture.

I don't think there is a government out there that will not subside agriculture. Nothing leads to the overthrow of a government quicker than food riots. But that is neither here nor there.

I mean seriously, not trying to argue more right here, but I bet if Rand herself would start up a country and there would be subsides somewhere for agriculture.
Almost all of what people would call corporate welfare starts with someone thinking they're serving an important purpose by encouraging a particular behavior through the use of a subsidy.
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So you when post Democrats this, Democrats that, you actually mean democrats and republicans, you just forget or drop the republican part?
No. The democrats are, by far, the worse problem in this area.
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That's why people are rioting in other countries over food prices, then right?
I didn't say food shortages always lead to riots and overthrow of government, I said food shortages are the best way to start down the road of riots and overthrow of government.

I know it is hard for us to comprehend, but think about the drought around Missouri last year. My garden fried. Now, 100 some years ago, that would have been massively devastating. There would have been starvation.

Thankfully, society, technology, the economy has advanced where I don't truly believe we will have food shortages on a massive scale.
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No. The democrats are, by far, the worse problem in this area.
You are going to generalize it all just to attempt to say that?

Democrats do worse on corporate welfare too?

Citation please.
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I know it is hard for us to comprehend, but think about the drought around Missouri last year. My garden fried. Now, 100 some years ago, that would have been massively devastating. There would have been starvation.
And then you went to the local grocery store and got a head of lettuce picked by an illegal who makes $3.25/hour and stocked by a high school kid making minimum wage, right?
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If you don't want examples, don't ask for them. The GOP tried to cut MAP last year and the Democrats blocked it.
No, I am glad to gave me the information.

I just tend to agree with Agriculture subsides. Maybe not to the extreme there is in some parts.

But I also don't think this sounds bad at all:

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to help U.S. producers, exporters, private companies, and other trade organizations finance promotional activities for U.S. agricultural products. The MAP encourages the development, maintenance, and expansion of commercial export markets for agricultural commodities. Activities financed include consumer promotions, market research, technical assistance, and trade servicing.
That is what I want government do: Promote US products, encourage development and assist with data research and trade servicing.

Doesn't sound very welfarey.
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And then you went to the local grocery store and got a head of lettuce picked by an illegal who makes $3.25/hour and stocked by a high school kid making minimum wage, right?
No, I grew my own lettuce for that reason.

But, you also know I don't support any of those practices. Except for a high school kid making minimum wage.
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You are going to generalize it all just to attempt to say that?

Democrats do worse on corporate welfare too?

Citation please.
Attempt? I said it.
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