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Old 07-30-2013, 09:53 AM  
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:20 PM   #121
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The New Testament is concealed in the Old Testament, and the Old Testament
is revealed in the New Testament.

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I havent found all that much value in reading the old testament personally (in terms of time spent)

I do find the new testament to be quite inspiring....

I probably just havent studied the old testament enough.....in fairness
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:31 PM   #122
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I havent found all that much value in reading the old testament personally (in terms of time spent)

I do find the new testament to be quite inspiring....

I probably just havent studied the old testament enough.....in fairness
trust me, it takes hours of study to see that statement come to life....it's a neverending learning experience..
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:37 PM   #123
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trust me, it takes hours of study to see that statement come to life....it's a neverending learning experience..
whats your favorite chapter in the old testament

what chapter inspires you most?
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:37 PM   #124
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The cannonical gospels were written only around 40-70 years after Jesus' death I believe...(and eariler by some accounts.....no later than 70AD according to the 'fall of jerusalem' research)

At least one was written when people that met him were still alive...

(I'm no scholar, so I could be wrong on this)

edit: also, that doesnt take into account the oral history that preceded the writings of the gospels, which took some time
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You are correct. Luke specifically states he's relying on eyewitness accounts. Therefore Aslans argument the Gospels aren't really meant to be historical is very odd.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:37 PM   #125
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You seem to be confused. Nearly all differences in religious opinion are the result of interpretation, not translation. It's highly unlikely Aslan has found a different translation where Jesus claims he's not the Son of God or the Messiah.


To test your theory you are free to find such a verse. Since there are many translations (according to you), this should be no problem for you to grab off of Google.
Maybe this is news to you, but the Catholic bible includes books that aren't in the protestant bible. And beyond that, the differences between translations can be pretty substantial. But that's neither here nor there, since I don't think Aslan is basing his thesis on any version of the bible. At least not exclusively.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:38 PM   #126
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It appears you missed my earlier post where I specifically stated 2 arguments he made, and rebutted them with specific verses from the Bible. Since you missed that part, I advise you to go back and read what you missed.

Then, you will see that your point here was null.
You can't rebut them with a verse from the Bible, unless his argument is something like "the Bible says X".
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:40 PM   #127
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No, if I recall, you didn't state two arguments he made, you stated two brief assertions, without regard to his support of the assertions.

At the same time, you are citing to the Bible as proof, which as mentioned before, is ridiculous.
I'm laughing that you keep making the same dumb point. Aslan himself writes that he relies on the New Testament to construct his view of Jesus. So the entire point is what that text says or does not say. You cannot possibly be this stupid. Even Aslan would tell you to start following the discussion.
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You can't rebut them with a verse from the Bible, unless his argument is something like "the Bible says X".
That's precisely what he's arguing. Read his excerpts.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:42 PM   #129
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whats your favorite chapter in the old testament

what chapter inspires you most?
chapter ? impossible to choose without major thought...book? love the reading the prophets.. but at this point? Genesis...the amount of infromation is amazing.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:46 PM   #130
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You are correct. Luke specifically states he's relying on eyewitness accounts. Therefore Aslans argument the Gospels aren't really meant to be historical is very odd.
Thanks, thats pretty much the point I was trying to make.

The fact that these major works were found to have been completed before 70AD (in greek) almost certainly points to them being eye witness accounts....and I do not believe there are any writings out there around the same time (by people from the same area etc..) who denounce the gospels as a false history.

If they were false, you would think someone at the time would've possibly refuted them.

Like you, I'm not getting into whether the stories were true or not.....just that there is more proof than not that Jesus existed and did some pretty cool stuff.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:47 PM   #131
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Maybe this is news to you, but the Catholic bible includes books that aren't in the protestant bible. And beyond that, the differences between translations can be pretty substantial. But that's neither here nor there, since I don't think Aslan is basing his thesis on any version of the bible. At least not exclusively.
There's a reason there aren't any Bibles in Catholic churches, just like there's a reason the KJ was translated into the international language of English and was the mainstay for four millenia, just like there's a reason there have been 200 new translation in the last 100 years...
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Thanks, thats pretty much the point I was trying to make.

The fact that these major works were found to have been completed before 70AD (in greek) almost certainly points to them being eye witness accounts....and I do not believe there are any writings out there around the same time (by people from the same area etc..) who denounce the gospels as a false history.

If they were false, you would think someone at the time would've possibly refuted them.

Like you, I'm not getting into whether the stories were true or not.....just that there is more proof than not that Jesus existed and did some pretty cool stuff.
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whats your favorite chapter in the old testament

what chapter inspires you most?
Job, chapter 9. I believe that the mediator Job cries out for is Jesus.

32 “He (God) is not a mere mortal like me that I might answer him,
that we might confront each other in court.
33 If only there were someone to mediate between us,
someone to bring us together,
34 someone to remove God’s rod from me,
so that his terror would frighten me no more.
35 Then I would speak up without fear of him,
but as it now stands with me, I cannot.
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Genesis...the amount of infromation is amazing.
I guess I'll have to try again...I really didn't care for genesis compared to almost any of the books in the new testament. Much of it bored me to tears.

I'll have to give it another shot.

Side question:

I really like "Young's literal Translation" and "weymouth's new testament" of all of the translations.

Would you possibly ask someone at your church where (or if it is even possible) to obtain these two bibles with REALLY nice leather cover and top quality binding?

I have been searching for a long time, and I'd really like to get my son the Young's Literal Translation bible in a nice leather with 5 star binding and large pages etc...

You know any places to get custom or hard to find bibles like that?

Getting a couple weymouths new testaments in a similar quality would be a huge bonus.
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That's precisely what he's arguing. Read his excerpts.
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