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Old 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM  
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SCOTUS Gay Marriage Opinions

DOMA - Federal law which allows one state to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state, and which federally bans gay marriage.

Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional. The rest of DOMA still remains. This means that federal law must recognize same-sex marriage, but since Section 2 remains standing, states are still free to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state. That will likely be challenged in a future court case.

5-4 decision, Kennedy and the 4 liberals. The conservatives are split with 3 dissents.


Prop 8 - California Gay Marriage ban.

The 9th circuit appeal is dismissed due to lack of standing. We now know definitively that if the state government refuses to defend a state proposition, the prop sponsers can still go to court, but they can not appeal if they lose. The decision by the 9th circuit is also gone. Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling stands, and is final. Gay Marriage is legal in CA.

5-4 decision, Roberts, Scalia, and 3 of the liberals. Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor would have found standing and proceeded to the merits. The question on whether a fundamental right to gay marriage exists countrywide will have to wait for another day.

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Old 06-26-2013, 04:54 PM   #106
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Funny how the people celebrating the ruling usually claim to be against states' rights.
Meh. I'm not celebrating the ruling. I don't agree with any laws restricting marriage between adult citizens. I understand that this case wasn't going to accomplish the change I'd be happy with, but it's a step in the right direction. Meanwhile I will sit back and laugh at the dumbasses and dipshits pretending that society is now doomed because of it.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:54 PM   #107
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Scalia should be aware enough of history to know that this was decided long ago. He's a pompous dick.
Yes, but he's been pretty consistent on this topic. From his dissent in Lawrence v. Texas which declared state laws against consensual sodomy unconstitutional:

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Today's opinion is the product of a Court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct.... [T]he Court has taken sides in the culture war, departing from its role of assuring, as neutral observer, that the democratic rules of engagement are observed.

So imbued is the Court with the law profession's anti-anti-homosexual culture, that it is seemingly unaware that the attitudes of that culture are not obviously "mainstream"; that in most States what the Court calls "discrimination" against those who engage in homosexual acts is perfectly legal.
Then continues with this gem that makes Justice Scalia look like he'd be right at home on the CP DC forum:

"Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals..."

(yes...I ripped those excerpts right from Wikipedia. I've read Lawrence a number of times independently)
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:55 PM   #108
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Nothing like religious nuts freaking out:


Now...that is hilarious. It's also kind of sad that people think this way.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:57 PM   #109
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Yes, but he's been pretty consistent on this topic. From his dissent in Lawrence v. Texas which declared state laws against consensual sodomy unconstitutional:



Then continues with this gem that makes Justice Scalia look like he'd be right at home on the CP DC forum:

"Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals..."

(yes...I ripped those excerpts right from Wikipedia. I've read Lawrence a number of times independently)

Who appointed this nutbag? Bush?
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:57 PM   #110
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I agree with both rulings. I thought they were both good ruling. We can't have laws based on outdated data. It's self defeating.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:58 PM   #111
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Who appointed this nutbag? Bush?
I just checked. It was a Reagan mistake.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:28 PM   #112
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I would say if your state passes a law recognizing that as a legal marriage, the Federal government should recognize it as well. Its a state level issue and thats how it should be.
I don't like that idea.

Same basic principle as why the civil rights act was passed in the first place. Why Kennedy sent in the national guard.

Some rights are not ever left up to the states. You know...like the ones in the constitution. States don't get to deny rights to anyone based on race, religion or creed.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:31 PM   #113
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I agree with both rulings. I thought they were both good ruling. We can't have laws based on outdated data. It's self defeating.
Thats just a legal technicality. The SCOTUS doesn't throw out laws or rights based on technicalities with the law. But, I guess this conservative activist court can't help itself.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:39 PM   #114
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:40 PM   #115
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Ohh and yeah I agree with GB, anyone who wants to be miserable.. I mean married should have the right.
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:17 PM   #116
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Idiocracy scripted this out pretty well - all the dumbasses are celebrating the dumbing down of America, one step at a time.


People who support gay marriage have higher education levels than those who don't.

So, let's piece this logical puzzle you've carved together.

Stupid people celebrate this ruling.

People with more education support the effect of this ruling.

Therefore, aliens.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:03 PM   #117
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Now I KNOW there is NO way Prison Bitch actually went to KU, probably went to some southern Missouri school.
MIssouri passed their gay marriage ban with 70% support, Kansas only mustered 69%. So yeah, huge difference in the two states on this issue. Massive.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:10 PM   #118
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I don't like that idea.

Same basic principle as why the civil rights act was passed in the first place. Why Kennedy sent in the national guard.

Some rights are not ever left up to the states. You know...like the ones in the constitution. States don't get to deny rights to anyone based on race, religion or creed.
Where is the right for this in Constitution?
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:12 PM   #119
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Where is the right for this in Constitution?
What gave you the right to marry?
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:14 PM   #120
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What gave you the right to marry?
I haven't read the case, but to my knowledge it wasn't decided as a right. It wasn't as simple as that. To my knowledge it had to do with other things.

So, I ask BRC, based on the claim in his post about certain rights he is referring to in the Constitution. He has to answer because he had something in mind.
I also, did not see the Federal Congress passing any laws that violate certain rights at least in the gay marriage ban in CA.
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