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Old 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM  
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SCOTUS Gay Marriage Opinions

DOMA - Federal law which allows one state to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state, and which federally bans gay marriage.

Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional. The rest of DOMA still remains. This means that federal law must recognize same-sex marriage, but since Section 2 remains standing, states are still free to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state. That will likely be challenged in a future court case.

5-4 decision, Kennedy and the 4 liberals. The conservatives are split with 3 dissents.


Prop 8 - California Gay Marriage ban.

The 9th circuit appeal is dismissed due to lack of standing. We now know definitively that if the state government refuses to defend a state proposition, the prop sponsers can still go to court, but they can not appeal if they lose. The decision by the 9th circuit is also gone. Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling stands, and is final. Gay Marriage is legal in CA.

5-4 decision, Roberts, Scalia, and 3 of the liberals. Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor would have found standing and proceeded to the merits. The question on whether a fundamental right to gay marriage exists countrywide will have to wait for another day.

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Old 06-26-2013, 10:01 AM   #46
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Right, so since it won't impact my marriage either way why would I care if gays were allowed to marry? Why would I pay any attention to their "rights" if it doesn't even impact me?
You don't have to pay a lick of attention. It is the government who we are talking about here. The courts saying gays have a right to marry (which they did not in these decisions) or be treated equally if they do does not mean anyone has to change their personal opinion on the issue and they can proceed with their bigotry or 'morality' or whatever.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:03 AM   #47
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:05 AM   #48
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:17 AM   #49
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On another note, John Boehner's decision to defend DOMA has backfired spectacularly. Without that defense, the Supreme Court could not have ruled on it, and Kennedy would not have had his chance to announce his basic feelings on the topic.

Gay Marriage advocates had been cautious in the past, discouraging anyone from sueing or appealing because they feared an adverse ruling. Now, they'll be encouraged to go for it, find some plaintiffs in a few non-gay marriage states and begin the march to the top of the appeal chain as quickly as possible.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:17 AM   #50
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:21 AM   #51
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On another note, John Boehner's decision to defend DOMA has backfired spectacularly. Without that defense, the Supreme Court could not have ruled on it, and Kennedy would not have had his chance to announce his basic feelings on the topic.

Gay Marriage advocates had been cautious in the past, discouraging anyone from sueing or appealing because they feared an adverse ruling. Now, they'll be encouraged to go for it, find some plaintiffs in a few non-gay marriage states and begin the march to the top of the appeal chain as quickly as possible.
They should have their day in court.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:23 AM   #52
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On another note, John Boehner's decision to defend DOMA has backfired spectacularly. Without that defense, the Supreme Court could not have ruled on it, and Kennedy would not have had his chance to announce his basic feelings on the topic.

Gay Marriage advocates had been cautious in the past, discouraging anyone from sueing or appealing because they feared an adverse ruling. Now, they'll be encouraged to go for it, find some plaintiffs in a few non-gay marriage states and begin the march to the top of the appeal chain as quickly as possible.
How long do you think it will take for a case to move up the chain and get back to the Supreme Court? 1 year, 2 years?
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:24 AM   #53
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I would like a tax credit, too. I think I will marry my dog. Who are you to say who I can marry? ****ing bigots.
For starters, the thing you are marrying must have the intelligence level to be able to knowingly consent to said marriage. Frankly, I'm not sure you would actually qualify to marry a human.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:25 AM   #54
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How long do you think it will take for a case to move up the chain and get back to the Supreme Court? 1 year, 2 years?
At least 2 years, unless there's a suitable case I'm not aware of thats already in an appeals court somewhere. Could be 3 if they decide to have a full-blown Vaughn Walker-like trial at the lower level before appeals. They need to start ASAP before someone in the apparent 5-vote majority dies or retires.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:25 AM   #55
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For starters, the thing you are marrying must have the intelligence level to be able to knowingly consent to said marriage. Frankly, I'm not sure you would actually qualify to marry a human.
seems like it is legal for him to marry you though
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:25 AM   #56
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For starters, the thing you are marrying must have the intelligence level to be able to knowingly consent to said marriage. Frankly, I'm not sure you would actually qualify to marry a human.
Some people actually believe their pet is intelligent.
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Gays marrying will not impact any straight person's marriage in any way, shape, or form unless they or their partner are a closeted homosexual who comes out and ends the charade. End of story.
But it was called the DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT. Straight marriage. Now, straight marriage will be...DEFENSELESS!
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:31 AM   #59
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You don't have to pay a lick of attention. It is the government who we are talking about here. The courts saying gays have a right to marry (which they did not in these decisions) or be treated equally if they do does not mean anyone has to change their personal opinion on the issue and they can proceed with their bigotry or 'morality' or whatever.
You're not answering the question. If it remains banned, how will that affect my marriage? It won't. So why should I give a rat's ass if they get it legalized? Out of the goodness of my heart? It doesn't benefit me.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:33 AM   #60
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Some people actually believe their pet is intelligent.
More so than any of the religious types posting in this thread. Frankly I'm surprised they can find their way home at night.

Maybe a communion wafer bread trail or something.
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