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Old 06-26-2013, 07:16 AM  
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SCOTUS Gay Marriage Opinions

DOMA - Federal law which allows one state to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state, and which federally bans gay marriage.

Section 3 of DOMA is unconstitutional. The rest of DOMA still remains. This means that federal law must recognize same-sex marriage, but since Section 2 remains standing, states are still free to refuse to recognize a marriage from another state. That will likely be challenged in a future court case.

5-4 decision, Kennedy and the 4 liberals. The conservatives are split with 3 dissents.


Prop 8 - California Gay Marriage ban.

The 9th circuit appeal is dismissed due to lack of standing. We now know definitively that if the state government refuses to defend a state proposition, the prop sponsers can still go to court, but they can not appeal if they lose. The decision by the 9th circuit is also gone. Judge Vaughn Walker's ruling stands, and is final. Gay Marriage is legal in CA.

5-4 decision, Roberts, Scalia, and 3 of the liberals. Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor would have found standing and proceeded to the merits. The question on whether a fundamental right to gay marriage exists countrywide will have to wait for another day.

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Old 07-10-2013, 05:50 PM   #226
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Churches changing bylaws after gay marriage ruling
By TRAVIS LOLLER Associated Press

NASHVILLE, Tenn.—Worried they could be sued by gay couples, some churches are changing their bylaws to reflect their view that the Bible allows only marriage between one man and one woman.

Although there have been lawsuits against wedding industry businesses that refuse to serve gay couples, attorneys promoting the bylaw changes say they don't know of any lawsuits against churches.

Critics say the changes are unnecessary, but some churches fear that it's only a matter of time before one of them is sued.

"I thought marriage was always between one man and one woman, but the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision said no," said Gregory S. Erwin, an attorney for the Louisiana Baptist Convention, an association of Southern Baptist churches and one several groups advising churches to change their bylaws. "I think it's better to be prepared because the law is changing. America is changing."...

Kevin Snider is an attorney with the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal defense group that specializes in conservative Christian issues. His organization released a model marriage policy a few years ago in response to a statewide gay marriage fight in California. Snider said some religious leaders have been threatened with lawsuits for declining to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies...

Dean Inserra, head pastor of the 1,000-member City Church Tallahassee, based in Florida, said he does not want to be alarmist, but his church is looking into how best to address the issue.

Inserra said he already has had to say no to gay friends who wanted him to perform a wedding ceremony.

"We have some gay couples that attend our church. What happens when they ask us to do their wedding?" Inserra said. "What happens when we say no? Is it going to be treated like a civil rights thing?"

Critics, including some gay Christian leaders, argue that the changes amount to a solution looking for a problem.

"They seem to be under the impression that there is this huge movement with the goal of forcing them to perform ceremonies that violate their freedom of religion," said Justin Lee, executive director of the Gay Christian Network, a nonprofit that provides support for gay Christians and their friends and families and encourages churches to be more welcoming....

Eric Rassbach is an attorney with the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a public interest legal group that defends the free expression rights of all faiths. He said it is unlikely the government would try to force a pastor to perform a same-sex marriage, but churches that rent out their facilities to the general public could face problems if they refuse to rent to gay couples.

Although his organization has not advocated it, he said it could strengthen a church's legal position to adopt a statement explaining its beliefs about marriage.

"A number of groups don't have a written doctrine," Rassbach said. "...but the courts like written-down things."

Rassbach said it was important for churches to get their beliefs in writing before a dispute arises, otherwise it can look to a court as if something was done after the fact as an attempt to cover up hostility to gays.
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"It's probably one of the most difficult issues our churches are facing right now," said Doug Anderson, a national coordinator with the evangelical Vineyard Church. "It's almost an impossible situation to reconcile what's going on in our culture, and our whole theology of welcoming and loving people, versus what it says in the Bible."
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