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Old 06-17-2013, 09:24 AM  
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SCOTUS rejects Arizona's proof of citizenship for voter registration

7-2 decision written by Scalia. Alito and Thomas dissents.

I haven't read the opinion and I'm sure the activists will hail this as some kind of "victory against Arizona's racism", but apparently Arizona lost on a technicality and they could eventually come back to court.

In prior decisions, the courts already ruled that the feds (through congress) decide when, where, and how federal elections are held and what voter registration forms need to look like. Today the court told Arizona that they cant just ignore federal law and use whatever voter registration form they want, they have to use the federal form, but what they can do is follow the proper procedure of asking the board in charge of designing the form to revise it allowing states to ask for proof of citizenship, and if that request is denied, then they could come back to court.

So, nothing was really decided, they punted it.

In other legal news, we had a supreme court decision with a very weird lineup: Thomas had a majority opinion on a procedural criminal law issue joined by the four liberals, while Kennedy and the other 3 conservatives dissented.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:31 PM   #16
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If what stands? You still don't understand how the courts work, do you?
Damn you're still stupid - see mlyonsd's post.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:06 PM   #17
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Damn you're still stupid - see mlyonsd's post.
Nope...you're too lazy to read the opinion or even the summary that mlyonsd put up. The next paragraph does a good job of explaining why this is a quirky decision.

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On the particular point at issue in this case — Arizona’s requirement of proof of citizenship before one may register to vote or actually vote — the Scalia opinion said that a state was free to ask the federal government for permission to add that requirement. And, Scalia said, if that doesn’t work — either because the federal agency that would deal with such a request is either not functioning or says no — then a state would be free to go to court and make an argument that it has a constitutional right to insist on proof of citizenship as an absolute qualification for voting, in all elections.
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If it stands, I hope AZ takes Obama's stance and simply ignores the ruling - works for Barry!
Which shows once again that you don't really understand that this law as is still unconstitutional and there is nothing "to stand" since the court has already ruled. If the state wants to require proof of citizenship they have to work with the feds in the first instance and sue in the second to achieve that policy goal.

The rest of your statement about Arizona ignoring the ruling then something about Barry was very nearly a complete sentence though.

Proving citizenship when you sign up to vote seems like a pretty solid requirement. Hopefully a more level headed state takes the steps outlined by Scalia so that perhaps this goes into effect nationwide instead of merely at a state level.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:26 AM   #18
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First. The ruling just said Arizona can't create their own rules in a Federal Election.

Second, if all you "small government" conservatives were actually concerned about voter fraud and not just attempting voter disfranchisement, we wouldn't be asking people to submit more information to the government, we would just do this:

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Old 06-18-2013, 06:31 AM   #19
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First. The ruling just said Arizona can't create their own rules in a Federal Election.
Well, actually they can make some of their own rules in a Federal election.

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Second, if all you "small government" conservatives were actually concerned about voter fraud and not just attempting voter disfranchisement, we wouldn't be asking people to submit more information to the government, we would just do this:
It's spin to say it's only about disenfranchisement. There is voter fraud and there as in the last election too.
Plus you Ds do bribe voters.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:36 AM   #20
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Well, actually they can make some of their own rules in a Federal election.



It's spin to say it's only about disenfranchisement. There is voter fraud and there as in the last election too.
Plus you Ds do bribe voters.
Nothing you said is true. There is no voter fraud. It is not a problem in this country.

Continue to blame others for R's inability to win, party of personal responsibility.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:37 AM   #21
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Proving citizenship when you sign up to vote seems like a pretty solid requirement. Hopefully a more level headed state takes the steps outlined by Scalia so that perhaps this goes into effect nationwide instead of merely at a state level.
In order to register to vote, you have to give your name, birth date, and address. Your vote is then tied to this information. All of this information is written down and kept, and more importantly can be examined later. If it is determined that the information you gave was false, or that you do not qualify to vote in the district which you registered in, your vote can later be expunged.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:49 AM   #22
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Nothing you said is true. There is no voter fraud. It is not a problem in this country.
Nope. There's undercover videos I posted showing it. There were more votes than voter registrations in certain Ohio counties and in southern NH. In Merrimack NH they, had more votes than voter registrations.

There's a reason why True the Vote was targeted by the IRS. They do work exposing voter fraud.

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Continue to blame others for R's inability to win, party of personal responsibility.
Oh, I didn't claim this meant the Rs would have won. Never made that claim anywhere. I to think the election was much, much closer than it really was. And don't think I believe Rs don't have their own shenanigans in this area. But we know the Obama campaign uses Chicago-style politics.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:47 AM   #23
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Nope...you're too lazy to read the opinion or even the summary that mlyonsd put up. The next paragraph does a good job of explaining why this is a quirky decision.

Of course your comment was:

Which shows once again that you don't really understand that this law as is still unconstitutional and there is nothing "to stand" since the court has already ruled. If the state wants to require proof of citizenship they have to work with the feds in the first instance and sue in the second to achieve that policy goal.

The rest of your statement about Arizona ignoring the ruling then something about Barry was very nearly a complete sentence though.

Proving citizenship when you sign up to vote seems like a pretty solid requirement. Hopefully a more level headed state takes the steps outlined by Scalia so that perhaps this goes into effect nationwide instead of merely at a state level.
You really must work hard to be so damned stupid. The court basically told them what to do to accomplish their goals; wtf do you not understand about that? Yes, this trial is over, but the path was laid out for them on how to still get what they are looking for. ( And I guess you missed Thomas' comment... understandable as it doesn't fit your agenda... ) Quite seriously, do you know anything about... anything? Or are you always this full of shit?
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Guess we can add the difference between trial and appeal to things you don't understand.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:18 AM   #25
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Nope. There's undercover videos I posted showing it. There were more votes than voter registrations in certain Ohio counties and in southern NH. In Merrimack NH they, had more votes than voter registrations.

There's a reason why True the Vote was targeted by the IRS. They do work exposing voter fraud.
Stop believing chain emails. It only makes you look stupid.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

Q: Is it true that there were more votes than voters in Wood County, Ohio, and St. Lucie County, Fla., and that Obama lost every state with photo ID laws?

A: No. A viral email that makes those claims is bogus. It fabricates Ohio and Florida results. Also, Obama won four of the 11 states with photo ID laws.
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Stop believing chain emails. It only makes you look stupid.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

Q: Is it true that there were more votes than voters in Wood County, Ohio, and St. Lucie County, Fla., and that Obama lost every state with photo ID laws?

A: No. A viral email that makes those claims is bogus. It fabricates Ohio and Florida results. Also, Obama won four of the 11 states with photo ID laws.
Your facts are not wanted on a DC forum.

Factcheck is a liberal media organization! Can't be trusted!
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Guess we can add the difference between trial and appeal to things you don't understand.
Damn you are ****ing dumb...
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Stop believing chain emails. It only makes you look stupid.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

Q: Is it true that there were more votes than voters in Wood County, Ohio, and St. Lucie County, Fla., and that Obama lost every state with photo ID laws?

A: No. A viral email that makes those claims is bogus. It fabricates Ohio and Florida results. Also, Obama won four of the 11 states with photo ID laws.
You sourced "factcheck.org"? Dumbass...
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No, you look stupid for assuming. I don't even get chain emails. Not only that but I never said Wood County, which is only one area. I got it from news reports and the other was from local news where I have family. Then there were undercover videos online showing some people doing things to be able to vote twice.

Furthermore, Factcheck is Annenberg-linked and they are leftwing progressives.
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