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Old 06-11-2013, 04:04 PM  
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ACLU sues over NSA phone records program

NEW YORK (AP) — Two prominent civil rights groups have filed a lawsuit against the National Security Agency over its program that reportedly collects the telephone records of millions of American customers of Verizon.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York Civil Liberties Union say in a lawsuit filed in federal court Tuesday that the program violates First Amendment rights of free speech and association. It also alleges the program violates Fourth Amendment rights to privacy.

The lawsuit additionally alleges the government’s program exceeds Congress’ authority.

ACLU Deputy Legal Director Jameel Jaffer says the program is the same as requiring Americans to give the government a ‘‘daily report’’ of their activities and conversations.


President Barack Obama has defended the program and says privacy must be balanced with security.


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Old 06-12-2013, 07:27 AM   #46
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We elect people who don't care what's in the Constitution.
That too. Still, most are ignorant. When I call my rep about some things, like NDAA, his staff tell me all his legal advisors say it's Constitutional. This is when Americans were targeted. Now that I think of it, their staff does most of the work...and they're peeps we have to worry about even more.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:32 AM   #47
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We elect people who don't care what's in the Constitution.
Do you really think any of them have even read it?

Hell, the congressional black caucus can't read.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:35 AM   #48
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I would love to see ****ing heads roll. They won't, but I'd love to see some high level ****ing scumbags burn at the stake.
I would too. So far we see that men like Rove and Graham have no problem being openly fascist on this.
There's more of them up there, a lot more, even if conservatives are squirming. I doubt there will be any serious repeal of the Patriot Act or the expanded powers of the govt. If it doesn't happen, then we really are Germany post-1933. The Enabling Act gave Hitler the power to make such laws. Even the resolution on Iraq, where Congress transferred it's powers unConstitutionally to the executive falls under this. Then we have demonization of the other. This will happen to Snowden as well.
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Old 06-12-2013, 07:36 AM   #49
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Do you really think any of them have even read it?

Hell, the congressional black caucus can't read.
That's probably true.
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Old 06-12-2013, 08:02 AM   #50
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Wonder how many authoritarian-conservatives–those who are pooh-poohing the snooping scandal as “no big deal,” and lauding the ubiquity of federal surveillance against all Americans who dare to commit the seditious acts of making a cell phone call or surfing the Internet as absolutely essential to winning a “war” we can barely be bothered to wage, against an enemy we’re too politically correct to name–would say that Revere and company had this coming?

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Old 06-12-2013, 10:20 AM   #51
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Slavery used to be legal. Were the abolitionists traitors?
The ones who violated their oath to keep national secrets secret were.
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:23 AM   #52
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The ones who violated their oath to keep national secrets secret were.
What oath would that be?

The only oath I know is the US Constitution and I think it supercedes seeing wrongdoing if one has taken another oath.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #53
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What oath would that be?

The only oath I know is the US Constitution and I think it supercedes seeing wrongdoing if one has taken another oath.
That was my point. Abolitionists didn't take any oath, nor were they disclosing any national secrets. Therefore the analogy was pointless.

But if you're asking what oath someone like Edward Snowden took, I'm talking about the oath he took to protect the secrets to which he had access. If he sensed a conflict between this oath and the constitution, there are acceptable ways to address it. Fleeing to Hong Kong and releasing national secrets to reporters is not one of them.
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That was my point. Abolitionists didn't take any oath.

But if you're asking what oath someone like Edward Snowden took, I'm talking about the oath he took to protect the secrets to which he had access. If he sensed a conflict between this oath and the constitution, there are acceptable ways to address it. Fleeing to Hong Kong and releasing national secrets to reporters is not one of them.
Every "acceptable way" available in this case is completely useless.

His options were to close his eyes and just follow orders like a good little soldier, or do the right thing. In this case, the right thing was to break the law.
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That was my point. Abolitionists didn't take any oath, nor were they disclosing any national secrets. Therefore the analogy was pointless.

But if you're asking what oath someone like Edward Snowden took, I'm talking about the oath he took to protect the secrets to which he had access. If he sensed a conflict between this oath and the constitution, there are acceptable ways to address it. Fleeing to Hong Kong and releasing national secrets to reporters is not one of them.
That's what I am referring to—what oath is that? Or was it just an agreement or contract?

If any of those violates the Constitution, then any agreement, contract or oath would be illegal if it violates superior law in part of in whole.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:11 AM   #56
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Every "acceptable way" available in this case is completely useless.

His options were to close his eyes and just follow orders like a good little soldier, or do the right thing. In this case, the right thing was to break the law.
Yup, civil disobedience is another way.
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Every "acceptable way" available in this case is completely useless.

His options were to close his eyes and just follow orders like a good little soldier, or do the right thing. In this case, the right thing was to break the law.
One obvious way would have been for him to work with Rand Paul.
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Yup, civil disobedience is another way.
This was treason, not civil disobedience.
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This was treason, not civil disobedience.
Nope. That's just your opinion.

Now, I'd like to see that oath you claimed he took?
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