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Old 06-06-2013, 05:10 PM  
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/440...t-others-prism

NSA, FBI have backdoors to data from Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, others according to leaked security presentation

Five-year-old program provides government with direct access to email, messages, browser history, more

By Dan Seifert on June 6, 2013 06:04 pm

The US National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation have been harvesting data such as audio, video, photographs, emails, and documents from the internal servers of nine major technology companies, according to a leaked 41-slide security presentation obtained by The Washington Post and The Guardian. The program, codenamed PRISM, is considered highly classified and has never been made public before. The list of companies involved in it are the who's who of Silicon Valley: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. Dropbox, though not yet an official part of the program, is said to be joining it soon. These companies have all willingly participated in the program, says the Post.

According to the leaked presentation, the program has been in action since 2007, and is considered the biggest contributor to the daily briefings given to the President, providing data in 1,477 articles last year alone. Allegedly, nearly one in seven intelligence reports from the NSA contains data from the PRISM program. The NSA has the ability to pull any sort of data it likes from these companies, but it claims that it does not try to collect it all. The PRISM program goes above and beyond the existing laws that state companies must comply with government requests for data, as it gives the NSA direct access to each companies servers essentially letting the NSA do as it pleases. The program was initiated to overcome what the NSA saw as constraints within the existing Fisa warrant program that did not allow the agency to make us of the "home-field advantage" provided by having most of the internet's biggest companies on US soil.

"The who's who of Silicon Valley are involved in the NSA's PRISM program"

Microsoft was the first company to bow to the government's wishes and join the PRISM program in 2007, while Apple held out for five years before agreeing. Though Google and Facebook are a part of PRISM, Twitter has not yet joined. Apparently, the only Congress members that knew about PRISM's existence were bound by oath not to speak of it publicly. In a statement provided to both The Washington Post and The Guardian, Google denied that the government had any sort of back door access to its systems: "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'back door' into our systems, but Google does not have a 'back door' for the government to access private user data."

The training documents for the program reveal that the NSA collects a large amount of data on the American public through the PRISM program. For example, if a specific target is investigated using PRISM, that target's complete inbox and outbox is swept, in addition to anyone that is connected to it. This high-level of access was initially given to the NSA by President Bush and was later renewed in 2012 by President Obama.

According to The Washington Post, the program's slides were provided by a "career intelligence officer" that had "firsthand experience with these systems, and horror at their capabilities," and wished to expose the programs "gross intrusion on privacy." This report follows the news from earlier this week of the NSA's involvement in collecting call data and records from Verizon in another massive surveillance partnership.
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Old 06-07-2013, 03:29 PM   #16
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Obama came out with an unflinching, full-throated defense of PRISM today. This is not partisan, there are defenders and opponents lining up from both parties, so it'll be interesting.

I think I'd have to live in an Israeli-like hellhole where suicide bombs were going off every day and the populace was freaked before I'd think about signing off on that kind of a program. Right now, I don't understand why they need this.
I don't give a shit why they want or need it. Should there be a day the US gov't decides to round people up (again) it won't take them 24 hours to have everyone they want.

There is no good reason for the gov't to have this. None.
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Old 06-07-2013, 03:30 PM   #17
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Obama came out with an unflinching, full-throated defense of PRISM today. This is not partisan, there are defenders and opponents lining up from both parties, so it'll be interesting.

I think I'd have to live in an Israeli-like hellhole where suicide bombs were going off every day and the populace was freaked before I'd think about signing off on that kind of a program. Right now, I don't understand why they need this.
Going to be coming after you credit card & debit card transaction next, I have heard that said several times today from both sides. More smoke
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Old 06-07-2013, 03:59 PM   #18
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Do you really think that Mastercard and Visa haven't cut deals for this already? They already sell all that data to the highest bidder.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:16 PM   #19
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I don't give a shit why they want or need it. Should there be a day the US gov't decides to round people up (again) it won't take them 24 hours to have everyone they want.

There is no good reason for the gov't to have this. None.
"rounding people up" does nothing with regard to why they say they need it. They are using it as a fishing expedition to find out who is a terrorist, not to track known terrorists. Your extreme alternative does not accomplish that goal.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:20 PM   #20
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Going to be coming after you credit card & debit card transaction next, I have heard that said several times today from both sides. More smoke
They already got it on the online purchases. But obama says its ok and the nat security advisor thought it was gathered unintentionally.....
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On a side note, it'll be funny to watch the political hacks on both sides who were either yelling "have you forgotten" or "no blood for oil" abruptly switch sides on this one. I'm sure there will be some intellectually consistent people in congress, but if Sean Hannity blasts Obama on this one, I'm not going to be able to keep myself from laughing at him.
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"rounding people up" does nothing with regard to why they say they need it. They are using it as a fishing expedition to find out who is a terrorist, not to track known terrorists. Your extreme alternative does not accomplish that goal.
The russians gave them a terrorist. They didnt think it was real. So now they need to know who in arkansas has called a friend in illinois? **** you and your bullshit. They dont know nickles from turds.
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**** you and your bullshit.
Oh, for crying out loud. I condemned the program in the last page, you idiot.

Bewbies and I are talking about a hypothetical apocalyptic fantasyland where maybe Obama can somehow justify it.
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I told you guys this was going on years ago. I've told you guys I don't know how many times that your privacy on the internet is an illusion.

Although it sounds bad, its not really a big deal unless you don't trust the government. And are doing something you shouldn't be doing.
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I don't give a shit why they want or need it. Should there be a day the US gov't decides to round people up (again) it won't take them 24 hours to have everyone they want.

There is no good reason for the gov't to have this. None.
I know of two terrorist attacks that were prevented on Americans because of this database and data mining.

There are at least hundreds, if not thousands of dead americans if the plan was executed correctly. Americans alive today because of this info.

Just saying, there is a benefit to this information. This has been going on since the Patriot act passed. Congress knew, the courts knew. This is not an Obama thing. It's a national security thing.

Now, a righteous agrument could be made that who gives a shit about preventing terrorists plots, take the back doors out.
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