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Old 06-04-2013, 12:30 PM  
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Remember where you were when you found out America's greatest living role model, Jason Collins, came out of the closet? Remember the tears of joy you cried when you read President Obama said he "couldn't be prouder" of Collins (despite openly campaigning against gay marriage while running for President)?


Remember when you rushed straight to internet chat boards ready to angrily denounce any intolerant "bigots" who were sure to gay bash him, ready to make that principled stand on acceptance - only to find out everyone was tripping over themselves to congratulate Jason already?


Well turns out Jason Collins strung Carolyn Moos along 8 years without ever having the decency to tell her the truth. She isnow 34 and having her eggs frozen in an effort to keep childbearing a possibility:




While this has to be the price of intolerance (or somehow tied to George W. Bush in some way), what role does Collins play in this? Or is our new national hero blameless for any of his lying? He wasted 8 years of her life, made marriage plans, called off the marriage, never told her the truth. Sounds like an asshole to me. Not someone I'd want my daughter spending 8 years with, whether he turned out gay or was straight.




'I just try to live an honest, genuine life and next thing you know you have the president calling you,' he said. Yeahhhhhh Jason. You're just an honest, genuine guy.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:38 PM   #106
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That's all fine and dandy if we're talking about relating to friends/family/public.

The significant other deserved more than that and he should be criticized for that. It unfortunately goes on all too often in relationships off all types (lying).

Most of this thread is just people dismissing it like it's no big deal.

In the big picture it's not that surprising that a story like Collins' would have a lot of layers to it.
He lied. She seems to be over it. I'm not of the opinion that it's any of my concern.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:39 PM   #107
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The President said he "couldn't be prouder" of him. High praise! You'd think you couldn't be prouder of a Navy Seal that helped capture and kill OBL than some retired gay hoops player coming out. But no. Being gay makes President Obama the most proud. (Even though he actively campaigned against gay marriage)
Well, technically, he said he couldn't be prouder OF HIM. Not that he couldn't be prouder in general or someone else couldn't make him more proud. His noted proudness level in this case was limited to Collins only. If you need anything else explained, let me know.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:41 PM   #108
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His bravery is second to none. He makes Jackie Robinson look like a gay.
But gay is good, so that's confusing.

Doogie Howser was also pretty brave at the time when he came out, so don't sell him short.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:42 PM   #109
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Well, technically, he said he couldn't be prouder OF HIM. Not that he couldn't be prouder in general or someone else couldn't make him more proud. His noted proudness level in this case was limited to Collins only. If you need anything else explained, let me know.
That's a fair point. So then I must ask.....THAT is the proudest he could make Obama? Really? Jumping into a pool and saving a drowning child wouldn't rise to the level of coming out (after you retired)? Donating millions to a battered women's shelter woudln't do it?


So yeah, thanks for the offer to explain things further. Fire away.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:44 PM   #110
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The President said he "couldn't be prouder" of him. High praise! You'd think you couldn't be prouder of a Navy Seal that helped capture and kill OBL than some retired gay hoops player coming out. But no. Being gay makes President Obama the most proud. (Even though he actively campaigned against gay marriage)
He just likes hoops better than OBL is all...
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #111
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He lied. She seems to be over it. I'm not of the opinion that it's any of my concern.
I'm not sure what you mean by that.

It's not any of mine either beyond the context of being critical of the behavior instead of just bypassing it like many are doing b/c they are fans of the big picture aspect of the story.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:51 PM   #112
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That's a fair point. So then I must ask.....THAT is the proudest he could make Obama? Really? Jumping into a pool and saving a drowning child wouldn't rise to the level of coming out (after you retired)? Donating millions to a battered women's shelter woudln't do it?


So yeah, thanks for the offer to explain things further. Fire away.
Aren't you kind of splitting hairs? It's just a figure of speech.

Obama sucks for lots of other reasons. Dozens upon dozens.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:57 PM   #113
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:58 PM   #114
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I'm not sure what you mean by that.

It's not any of mine either beyond the context of being critical of the behavior instead of just bypassing it like many are doing b/c they are fans of the big picture aspect of the story.
It's really not part of the big picture at all.

First professional athlete in a major American sport to come out as gay: newsworthy

Guy tells his girlfriend that he intends to marry her, but he doesn't mean it: not newsworthy
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:01 PM   #115
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PB, let me ask you something... Would you have been as fired up about this if he had never come out? What if he lived the lie forever, married her, had kids with her, and never told anyone he was gay...but his diary was found after his death, and it revealed that he was gay?
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That's a fair point. So then I must ask.....THAT is the proudest he could make Obama? Really? Jumping into a pool and saving a drowning child wouldn't rise to the level of coming out (after you retired)? Donating millions to a battered women's shelter woudln't do it?


So yeah, thanks for the offer to explain things further. Fire away.
"Fair point"--I'm flattered.
I think that maybe you are being a little too literal. What we have here is commonly known as a "figure of speech," which is an expression which, through its common use and general accepted meaning, diverges from its literal defintion.

Therefore, "I couldn't be prouder of ____" is known through common use to mean something to the effect of "I'm very proud of _____"

I can't guarantee it, but if next week Jason Collins runs into a burning orphanage and saves a bunch of children, Obama might be even prouder of him, despite it being technically impossible given Obama's prior statement on his level of proudness toward Collins.
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It's really not part of the big picture at all.

First professional athlete in a major American sport to come out as gay: newsworthy

Guy tells his girlfriend that he intends to marry her, but he doesn't mean it: not newsworthy
I didn't claim it was a newsworthy part of the story per se.
I just said it was one of many layers, which it is.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:06 PM   #118
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It's really not part of the big picture at all.

First professional athlete in a major American sport to come out as gay: newsworthy

Guy tells his girlfriend that he intends to marry her, but he doesn't mean it: not newsworthy
Hilarious. By your strange logic: Man getting a bj from a 20-year old intern, not newsworthy.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:09 PM   #119
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Hilarious. By your strange logic: Man getting a bj from a 20-year old intern, not newsworthy.
Well, is the man is the President of the United States or someone else? That is a distinction with a difference.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:09 PM   #120
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Lying to your "significant other" about something like this is reprehensible. You're screwing with someone else's life. Whether she should have been able to figure it out doesn't change the nature of the lie
8 years of strapping it on for her BF = she was well aware

She's a WNBA player too, it's like that Bob Seger lyric in 1978's "Night Moves"

"I used her, she used me and neither one cared....we were getting our share"
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