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Old 05-13-2013, 10:13 PM  
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Late night bullshit: The Pistol Offense 101

Paging Sorter, and anybody else on this board with high football acumen.

This thread is about all things Pistol. It seems the Chiefs are going with a WCO/pistol hybrid offense with Alex Smith.

What is the pistol offense? What's it's core philosophy?

What kind of personnel do you need for it?

Why is it argued that Alex Smith would be a good fit for it, i.e. what about his skillset makes him a good match for it?

What does a defense generally need to do to shut it down?

Rep for any and all useful answers that illuminate the issue for yours truly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:36 AM   #46
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Thigpen also did diddly poo in the second halves of games.

His wild inaccuracy made receiving the ball impossible for just about everybody except Tony Gonzalez, and teams learned that you could easy neuter his scrambling ability by sending both of your pass rushers straight out against the edges to keep him in the pocket.
We will be a pass spread offense. The signing of Booger Daniels makes a lot of sense for this offense.

Also Sorter mentioned something I was going to mention and that's the diamond formation. Kniles Davis and Jamaal Charles are both perfect backs to be on the field when/if we go to that formation.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:37 AM   #47
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McCluster should get a lot of open field looks in this offense as well
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:16 AM   #48
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Meyers spread system:



Ault's pistol system:



Both very similar systems and similar players.

Require smart, athletic QB's that can make quick read/adjustments at the line of scrimmage, particularly going from the pass to a QB run/shovel option.

With the Childress hire and now having Ault doing consulting, it looks like Reid really means what he says in terms of giving Alex Smith a shot at doing the QB position to his advantage.
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference. For example:

In the Alex Smith video at 0:39, he's lining up 4.5 yards deep and his halfback is offset and about 1.5 yards behind.

In the Kaepernick video, he's lining up 4.5 yards deeps and his halfback is lined up 3 yards directly behind.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:22 AM   #49
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Thigpen also did diddly poo in the second halves of games.

His wild inaccuracy made receiving the ball impossible for just about everybody except Tony Gonzalez, and teams learned that you could easy neuter his scrambling ability by sending both of your pass rushers straight out against the edges to keep him in the pocket.
We would have been better off drafting two or three more Tony Gonzalezes than getting rid of Thigpen in favor of Croyle/Cassel/Palko/Orton, in retrospect.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:27 AM   #50
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We would have been better off drafting two or three more Tony Gonzalezes than getting rid of Thigpen in favor of Croyle/Cassel/Palko/Orton, in retrospect.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:48 AM   #52
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:24 PM   #53
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As far as this is concerned, the pistol's "core philosophy" is to slow down defense reaction time and confuse (by utilizing a RB behind the QB). The main run plays you'll see will vary depending on O philosophy but there is generally a high utilization of Jab, stretch, inside zone, and power plays (sounds like nearly every offense). However, the beauty behind it with a mobile QB is that you can incorporate a jab play + a ZR passing option, which completely ****s over a defense mentally. They have to account for weak side/counter runs, QBs that can run, and deal with PA. Additionally, as you see with Harbaugh, the incorporation of Jab+Power plays really ****s with ILBs/S when they can't commit downhill to guard pulls.

As far as personnel, it really depends on your philosophy. Are you going to incorporate the ZR/do you have a mobile QB, etc. You can run it without using the ZR and it still confuses defenses simply due to the physical alignment of the RB. Additionally, you can come out with "Diamond" looks that allow you to vary your personnel packages from "heavy" to 2RB/1TE/2WR looks from the same alignment.

Any QB is a good fit for it depending on the playcalling, structure, etc. Alex could be a good fit and allow ZR options on plays due to his speed. He's underrated as a runner but nobody's confusing him with RG3. Think Aaron Rodgers.

To shut down the "pistol" is like asking "How do you shut down 1-on slot?". Shutting down a formation is impossible. Shutting down plays out of it is an entirely different matter.
This is good info. The pistol is really just a formation, and you can run almost any offensive philosophy behind it. One of the main benefits of pistol over shotgun is the ability to sell run action better, because the QB turns his back (reverse out, hiding the ball). We played against 2 teams from NYC when I was playing minor league, that ran this shit. Very annoying to read.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:46 PM   #55
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Excellent post. Best football post of the Andy Reid era. Answers alot of my questions. Leaning toward Sunday ticket after a two year hiatus. It's a bingo.
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Excellent post. Best football post of the Andy Reid era. Answers alot of my questions. Leaning toward Sunday ticket after a two year hiatus. It's a bingo.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:58 PM   #57
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i still refuse to believe Andy is going to run the pistol. He didnt when he had Vick why would he do it now.
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The Pistol is basically the shotgun, with some different concepts. I don't see why it would be a big deal having Smith in it.

I don't want him running alot as I'm not really a big fan of having your franchise QB running the ball alot when he's not built like a tank ala Cam or ungodly athletic like Kaep.
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The Pistol is basically the shotgun, with some different concepts. I don't see why it would be a big deal having Smith in it.

I don't want him running alot as I'm not really a big fan of having your franchise QB running the ball alot when he's not built like a tank ala Cam or ungodly athletic like Kaep.
Agree.
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I cant get that excited about most of our offseason but the pistol makes me jimp. Were not ahead of the curve but atleast its halfass modern.
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