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Old 05-13-2013, 09:13 PM  
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Late night bullshit: The Pistol Offense 101

Paging Sorter, and anybody else on this board with high football acumen.

This thread is about all things Pistol. It seems the Chiefs are going with a WCO/pistol hybrid offense with Alex Smith.

What is the pistol offense? What's it's core philosophy?

What kind of personnel do you need for it?

Why is it argued that Alex Smith would be a good fit for it, i.e. what about his skillset makes him a good match for it?

What does a defense generally need to do to shut it down?

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:16 PM   #2
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Chase (I'm not a fanboy of his after watching him coke against OU) is also a well suited backup for the pistol.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:16 PM   #3
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:17 PM   #4
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:20 PM   #5
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IIRC the episode of Gruden QB camp with Geno Smith talked about his experience with the Pistol.

I guess we will never know but it makes me wonder if Dorsey would have drafted Geno had they not traded the second away.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:24 PM   #6
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:26 PM   #7
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:30 PM   #8
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Meyers spread system:



Ault's pistol system:



Both very similar systems and similar players.

Require smart, athletic QB's that can make quick read/adjustments at the line of scrimmage, particularly going from the pass to a QB run/shovel option.

With the Childress hire and now having Ault doing consulting, it looks like Reid really means what he says in terms of giving Alex Smith a shot at doing the QB position to his advantage.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:39 PM   #9
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Paging Sorter, and anybody else on this board with high football acumen.

This thread is about all things Pistol. It seems the Chiefs are going with a WCO/pistol hybrid offense with Alex Smith.

What is the pistol offense? What's it's core philosophy?

What kind of personnel do you need for it?

Why is it argued that Alex Smith would be a good fit for it, i.e. what about his skillset makes him a good match for it?

What does a defense generally need to do to shut it down?

Rep for any and all useful answers that illuminate the issue for yours truly.
As far as this is concerned, the pistol's "core philosophy" is to slow down defense reaction time and confuse (by utilizing a RB behind the QB). The main run plays you'll see will vary depending on O philosophy but there is generally a high utilization of Jab, stretch, inside zone, and power plays (sounds like nearly every offense). However, the beauty behind it with a mobile QB is that you can incorporate a jab play + a ZR passing option, which completely ****s over a defense mentally. They have to account for weak side/counter runs, QBs that can run, and deal with PA. Additionally, as you see with Harbaugh, the incorporation of Jab+Power plays really ****s with ILBs/S when they can't commit downhill to guard pulls.

As far as personnel, it really depends on your philosophy. Are you going to incorporate the ZR/do you have a mobile QB, etc. You can run it without using the ZR and it still confuses defenses simply due to the physical alignment of the RB. Additionally, you can come out with "Diamond" looks that allow you to vary your personnel packages from "heavy" to 2RB/1TE/2WR looks from the same alignment.

Any QB is a good fit for it depending on the playcalling, structure, etc. Alex could be a good fit and allow ZR options on plays due to his speed. He's underrated as a runner but nobody's confusing him with RG3. Think Aaron Rodgers.

To shut down the "pistol" is like asking "How do you shut down 1-on slot?". Shutting down a formation is impossible. Shutting down plays out of it is an entirely different matter.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:44 PM   #10
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:45 PM   #11
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:49 PM   #12
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:50 PM   #13
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Pretty much this. However, you can run a lot of traditional running plays out of the pistol.
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