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View Poll Results: What are our strongest and weakest units going into training camp?
Part 1 - Strongest unit (if you select this, your mother is a harlot.) 6 6.45%
Offensive backfield (RBs and QBs) 9 9.68%
Receivers (WRs and TEs) 2 2.15%
Offensive line (OTs, Gs, and Cs) 53 56.99%
Specialists and special teams (K, P, KR, PR, various blockers and coverage guys) 7 7.53%
Defensive backfield (Ss and CBs) 13 13.98%
Linebackers (OLBs and ILBs) 33 35.48%
Defensive line (DEs and NTs) 1 1.08%
Part 2 - Weakest unit (if you select this, your father sired you via a harlot.) 6 6.45%
Offensive backfield (RBs and QBs) 17 18.28%
Receivers (WRs and TEs) 30 32.26%
Offensive line (OTs, Gs, and Cs) 3 3.23%
Specialists and special teams (K, P, KR, PR, various blockers and coverage guys) 4 4.30%
Defensive backfield (Ss and CBs) 9 9.68%
Linebackers (OLBs and ILBs) 4 4.30%
Defensive line (DEs and NTs) 53 56.99%
I do not wish to vote, because I don't want to affect players' self-esteem. 4 4.30%
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:28 PM  
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What are the Chiefs' strongest and weakest units heading into the 2013 training camp?

Direckshun has compiled threads detailing each of these units, so you can go there for reference.

Direckshun's offensive backfield thread

Direckshun's receivers thread

Direckshun's offensive line thread

Direckshun's specialists thread

Direckshun's defensive backfield thread

Direckshun's linebackers thread

Direckshun's defensive line thread

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Old 05-05-2013, 10:11 PM   #16
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Obvious: look for Charles to have a monster year.
Sketchy: DB's could end up costing this team games against vertical QB's, and the D line and LB's as a whole still look pedestrian on paper.
Advantage: coaching, culture, and winning instead of losing. Reid does not inspire as a game day tactician in the least. That said, given some confidence through immediate wins, even if they are of the ugly variety, should enable him to get even the most jaded Herm-era vets to buy back in and quickly. A team that can trust their coach will PLAY for their coach and play all four quarters, which brings me to...
Attitude. If only ONE good thing could come from this first year on the field with Reid, it would be the return of a team that exhibits pure ferocity. I am so goddamned SICK of watching skittish, undisciplined Chiefs football that puts too much focus on the cerebral side of the game. This team needs above all else and overall, to get its legs and start cracking some ****ing skulls again before I can reasonably put on my homer-vision like the days of old.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:38 PM   #17
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Would have voted for RB as one of the strongest, but QB brings that down a little.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:52 PM   #18
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Since QB isn't an isolated group and RB is a strength, I can't vote for offensive backfield. But I do think QB is the single-worst position group on the roster. We have 3 backups and an undrafted rookie heading into camp. That's just bad.

I think the d-line is probably the worst position group on the other side of the ball, but I also think the change in defensive scheme and coaching could have a great impact on the defense as a whole. I think we may also see the DB group as a strength by year's end.

WR is actually I think pretty strong. Bowe's obviously a stud, and I think Avery is a more capable #2 than we've had for years. I don't know if Baldwin will ever amount to anything, but even if he doesn't, I think we have a variety of 3rd and 4th receiver options on the roster between the slot guys like McCluster**** (ugh) and Wyle and the TE group. I also think the RB position will be a major contributor as receivers, as is usual with Reid.

I'm mixed on the o-line. I think they could have bookend tackles between Albert and Fisher, but I'm uncertain what the interior will look like.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:15 AM   #19
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I think LBs followed by OL is the strongest. And after spending a bunch of 1st round draft picks on it, I still see the DL as the weakest.

I hope throwing numbers at the defensive backfield is enough to bring it up to the point it's a strength although Flowers and Berry are the only two I have a lot of faith in.

I like our TE situation a lot better than our WR situation.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:16 AM   #20
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:30 AM   #21
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:11 AM   #22
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- Three Pro Bowlers in Hali, Houston and Johnson and the addition of a very talented thumper at the Mike spot in Nico Johnson, backed up by hard working guys like Chad Kilgore, Frank Zombo and Zac Diles, this is one of the best linebacking units in the NFL.

Weakest: Defensive Line

- Mike DeVito is, right now, the best/most productive player of this unit and he's a lunch pail type of guy. Poe, despite a year of starting in 2012, remains quite raw. Jackson has underperformed his whole career and guys like Bailey and Powe have flashed but minimally. And there isn't much depth. I think running a 46 type defense often will get the best players on the field, but despite two high first round draft picks, this is still a weak overall group.

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Offensive Line
- While it looks good on paper and everyone seems to be excited about it, it's a very young line with minimal game time experience. Rod Hudson has all the tools to be a dominant center, but has only started four games. Stephenson is the most gifted lineman on this team, but, like Hudson, has only a handful of starts. Same with Allen. Albert is the most experienced but he's only had one good year versus three mediocre to bad ones. Schwartz has a single year of starts. Asamoah hasn't progressed since his rookie year and he's just a guy at this point. Fisher is coming from an FBS school and is a rookie.

If they can put together a starting lineup sooner rather than later, and let them jell together, this can be a strength, but I think that this is a position group that might struggle initially.

Wide Receivers
- Bowe is the only marquee player here. Fortunately, his strengths will match well with Alex Smith. Should be a very good match. Baldwin can't break off from press coverage and doesn't run very good routes. Donny Avery is fast, but doesn't have very good hands. McCluster has been a turnover machine. Guys like Wylie and Hemingway I like, but who knows? Copper is in year 10 and is only a special teams player.

Defensive Backs
- Flowers is a genuine stud, but that's about it. The fans love Berry, but he has consistently shown an inability to be effective in coverage. That needs to get fixed or teams will continue to send tight ends his way all game long. Sean Smith has the tools to be a good press coverage guy, but he got torched a lot with the Dolphins. Kendrick Lewis is good in coverage - when he's not injured, which is more often than not. Jalil Brown is a very good special teams guy, but hasn't covered well in games at CB. Robinson has lost a step and I think that they'll miss Arenas versus Dunta at the nickel spot. The rest are just guys.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:16 AM   #23
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If Alex Myth can build on his 2012 season and hold that production with extra pass attempts, we have some fun years coming up.

He threw 13 touchdowns in only 218 pass attempts. That's 1 every 19 passes.

Andys Eagles threw the ball 616 times last year.

That puts Alex at 32 touchdowns...
Now average out his sacks for those pass attempts.
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Now average out his sacks for those pass attempts.
218 attempts. 24 sacks. That's 1 sack every 9 attempts. Now bump that out to 616 attempts. He's getting sacked 68 times. Now as ridiculous as that sounds.....it matches how ridiculous it is for Smith to throw 32 TDs.
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I have a sinking feeling that only DeVito is going to be a run stopper with the other 2 running right past the runner into the backfield never quite getting there. I guess I just feel that without a 1985 Bears pass rush we're just not going to get there. I think we continue to pay a heavy price for the Tyson Jackson pick. It's amazing how 1 failed pick that high can haunt a team for so long.
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