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Which do Republicans hate more: immigration reform, or Obama.
If Rubio's rhetoric is any indication, it's definitely Obama.
Selling immigration reform as worthwhile simply does not appeal to the Republican party. They still believe the border isn't being protected (despite increased deportation numbers), and they still believe illegal immigrants should not have a path to citizenship. The GOP establishment, desperately trying to keep themselves relevant demographically for the future, cannot seem to drive the party to believe in the wisdom of immigration reform, either intellectually as policy, or demographically as politics. The main resistance, as has been covered here before: Quote:
I don't see how this works with the House GOP, unless Boehner continues creating a majority by lumping in moderate Repulicans with Democrats. But even then, I think you need like 50 Republicans, and I don't see that happening. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ration-reform/ How Marco Rubio is enticing conservatives on immigration reform Posted by Greg Sargent on May 3, 2013 at 1:41 pm So how can Republicans who want immigration reform get conservatives to accept it, given that Obama also wants it? Republicans pushing for reform have come up with a strategic answer to that question, one that isn’t really acknowledged openly. They are subtly making the case to their base that a defeat for immigration reform is actually a hidden victory for Obama, and that passing the Senate compromise is actually worse for the President than the alternative, i.e. doing nothing. In this sense, the immigration reform debate is perhaps the ultimate test of what Obama referred to as the need to create a “permission structure” — that is, a way for conservatives to accept something Obama wants, too. The message — which is carefully couched – is that, yes, Obama wants immigration reform, but conservatives should accept the Gang of Eight compromise because the alternative is actually better for the President. You can see this strategy on display in Marco Rubio’s big Op ed piece in the Wall Street Journal today calling on Republicans to embrace the Gang of Eight compromise. Note this formulation in particular: Quote:
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There’s a key nuance here. As I understand the thinking, GOP base voters are turned off by the political argument that we must reform immigration because if we don’t, Obama will be able to screw Republicans over politically with Latinos. The reason the political argument doesn’t work is partly because many GOP base voters are persuaded that immigration reform will create a whole lot of Democratic voters — in purely political terms, rank-and-file members of the GOP base believe immigration reform is a net win for Democrats no matter how you slice it. That’s why the argument can’t be openly stated as: If we embrace reform, Obama loses. It has to be carefully calibrated in the manner Rubio has adopted: Not doing anything opens the door for a far greater victory for Obama later. He will be able to do for the undocumented what he did for the DREAMers — while not securing the border — a twofer for Obama. Obama is playing his part in this dance, too. He and the White House frequently take care to say — not in these exact words, but this is the message – that while he supports the Senate compromise, it’s far from the liberal dream legislation he’d like. And this isn’t just rhetorical: Obama really did remove himself from the process and allow bipartisan Senators, with heavy involvement from Republicans like Rubio and Lindsey Graham, create their compromise. It’s been widely observed that we’re stalemated in Washington because GOP base voters can’t accept the idea of their representatives compromising with Obama. The President has hatched the idea of a “permission structure” to get around this problem. The immigration debate is looming as the number one test of this strategy. The rub is that Republicans, quietly, are also in on it. |
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I think the right kind of immigration reform could easily win majority support from Republicans. I don't see how Obama could.
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Or Bush.
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I have sympathy for the children of illegal parents that had no voice in the decision to come here. I have sympathy for those same parents that were willing to do whatever it took including breaking our laws for the hope of a better life for their family. Unfortunately the Kinder gentler United States of today where everyone should have a safety net really isn’t compatible with just letting everyone in the world come to America and suckle on the Government teat. We are not mean enough to let people starve, bleed to death in the hospital parking lot or keep their kids from attending public schools. It is a pretty obvious problem that I have heard zero solutions from the left about and nothing any better than a big fence and more border patrols from the right.
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Direck, Cosmo, BRC had lots to say after the 2012 election. Strangely though, they've been completely invisible today.
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Trick question...
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I look at it this way: I wouldn't throw a party if immigration reform died.
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Very few people on either side support broad amnesty to millions of illegals. The rich want illegals for cheap labor. The democrat politicians want them for votes. Some on the left would jump of a bridge if Obama asked them to so they will as well, just as some on the right would follow Rush Limbaugh through fire. But most, even on the left, do not support a sweeping amnesty bill. This is why I think the left got killed yesterday and why Obama is going to bury any hope that democrats have in 16.
I support immigration for people that will contribute to the country and their communities and love this country. In areas where there are shortages like doctors then please apply. Most civilized nations have very strict laws on immigration. New Zealand is probably the best country to live in has a very strict immigration policy. Austrailia. Japan. Denmark. Hell even Mexico has strict immigration laws. The US and the UK have the loosest and the UK is a mess right now because of it. Most do not support bringing millions of uneducated, non English speaking people that will starve this country and their communities of social programs, medical and school systems. |
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