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Old 05-03-2013, 02:02 PM  
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The one thing we can look forward to: the league's best OL.

Last year, PFF gave the Chiefs the 12th best line.

That's even with Albert missing games, Ryan Lilja playing center, Jeff Allen playing poorly, and Stephenson having to play left tackle for five games.

12th best line.

Now, the Chiefs are better. If you're a fan of the trenches, and I know most of us on this site are not, but I unapologetically am:

Albert's healthy. Hudson's back. Allen's getting competition from Geoff Schwartz, and we're replacing Winston with Eric ****ing Fisher.

LT: Albert
LG: Allen/Schwartz
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: Fisher

Here are last year's top 5 OLs:

1st: 49ers

LT: Joe Staley
LG: Mike Iupati
C: Jonathan Goodwin
RG: Alex Boone
RT: Anthony Davis

2nd: Patriots

LT: Nate Solder
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Ryan Wendell
RG: Dan Connelly
RT: Sebastian Vollmer

3rd: Jets

LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Willie Colon
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Matt Slausen
RT: Austin Howard

4th: Broncos

LT: Ryan Clady
LG: Zane Beadles
C: JD Walton
RG: Louis Vasquez
RT: Orlando Franklin

5th: Cleveland Browns

LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shaun Lauvao
RT: Mitchell Schwartz

I think we can make a run at this group in 2013.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:30 PM   #211
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Unless they put Fisher in at guard.
This is never going to happen.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:30 PM   #212
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If Stephenson is as good as you guys think, drafting Fisher was even dumber.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:31 PM   #213
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How would anyone reasonably expect this Oline to be better this year?

1. The only real vets are Albert and Asamoah, and Asamoah hasn't progressed as a player since his rookie year.

2. Their experience as a unit is almost non existent.

3. Rookie RT.

4. New coaches, QB, and offensive scheme.

This line looks like a recipe for disaster in '13 to me. Sure if they can keep it together, I can see it growing into a very good unit in years to come. But individual athleticism is rarely the catalyst for good Oline play.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:32 PM   #214
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If Stephenson is as good as you guys think, drafting Fisher was even dumber.
I'm pretty sure that both sac and I argued that drafting a LT at 1.1 was stupid for this reason, and I argued that Jeff Allen has outstanding RT potential as well.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:33 PM   #215
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The dude was on pace to allow 15 sacks had he played an entire year.

You were wrong about Albert, and you're wrong about Stephenson. It's possible he might improve but right now you're just talking out your ass again. Stephenson has no place starting this season.
I'm pretty sure I'm not.

I know you've been loving the PFF stats stuff of late, but one has to keep in mind that the offensive coaches have had to minimize Cassel's drop backs in an effort to keep him upright which reduces the amount of sacks given up by the line.

Albert has turned into good. He still gets lost on the second level a lot, and doesn't have very good feet in dealing with keeping edge rushers in front of him. He's a top 15-ish guy at this point, and that's not taking into consideration three very subpar years prior to his "breakthrough" 2012 season.

And I've stated my case for Stephenson. He's a better alternative to starting at the right tackle spot than Fisher right here, right now. Will he? I don't know. Fisher could potentially receive the Dontari Poe treatment and get the starting nod because of his draft status alone. But there is nothing other than draft status saying that he's going to beat out Stephenson at this point. And that's a stupid thought process to use in trying to better your team from an objective standpoint.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:34 PM   #216
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I'm kind of thinking Fisher was the pick all along, but they expected to trade Albert. Then, that didn't go thru, so they picked Fisher anyway. Now they have 3 talented tackles, potentially 4, depending on what they want to do with Allen.


So, who knows what they think of Stephenson, but it seems they are going to put Fisher at RT, ALbert at LT this year and go from there.
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Dumbest thing I've ever read here after what we've learned about the kid, especially the last few weeks.
You obviously don't read any of your own material then.
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We did hear from someone (don't remember if it was TBG or who) that they wanted to kick Albert in to G.

I'd assume if they did that, it would be

Fisher
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Stephenson/Allen

But, that leaves Schwartz out, being he's a free agent who they brought in I'd say he's going to play.

So, in all reality, I don't know what the **** I'm talking about at all.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:41 PM   #219
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You obviously don't read any of your own material then.
The material that called this Geno fiasco 8 months ago?
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I'm pretty sure that both sac and I argued that drafting a LT at 1.1 was stupid for this reason, and I argued that Jeff Allen has outstanding RT potential as well.
Yep. Allen really has a nice skill set for the right tackle spot. The position really plays to his strengths as a player.

While Fisher might end up a very good pro, it was still a complete waste of a pick considering the young talent on the roster.

Basically, with the Fisher pick, we are going to waste our second and third round picks from last year or the 1.1 this year.
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I'm pretty sure that both sac and I argued that drafting a LT at 1.1 was stupid for this reason, and I argued that Jeff Allen has outstanding RT potential as well.
I have no faith in Jeff Allen to start at any position this year after getting his ass kicked so many times last year.
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I have no faith in Jeff Allen to start at any position this year after getting his ass kicked so many times last year.
I wouldn't get on Jeff Allen just yet. There was a rumor that Pioli may have purposely undercut the roster so the Chiefs would have a reason to fire Haley. This could be an example of that. Pioli did such a shitty job of providing o-line depth that you were essentially forcing your depth guys to play 2 positions.

For a guy like Jeff Allen, I want him to grow into one position. Allen is a good guy to groom for your bench and could very well turn into quality bench depth.
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We did hear from someone (don't remember if it was TBG or who) that they wanted to kick Albert in to G.

I'd assume if they did that, it would be

Fisher
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Stephenson/Allen

But, that leaves Schwartz out, being he's a free agent who they brought in I'd say he's going to play.

So, in all reality, I don't know what the **** I'm talking about at all.
Who ever it is, is full of shit, they are not moving Albert to guard at least not this year. Andy Reid may want to kick Albert to guard but they aren't going to rock the cradle this time of year. They will stick with Albert at LT to start the season.

They may end up trading him before the trade deadline who knows??
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Allen was a college tackle moved to LG and had to start as a rookie there. He was shit, but I'm not sure we can rule him out either way.
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Who ever it is, is full of shit, they are not moving Albert to guard at least not this year. Andy Reid may want to kick Albert to guard but they aren't going to rock the cradle this time of year. They will stick with Albert at LT to start the season.

They may end up trading him before the trade deadline who knows??
If they pay him, they'll move him wherever they want.
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