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Old 05-03-2013, 02:02 PM  
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The one thing we can look forward to: the league's best OL.

Last year, PFF gave the Chiefs the 12th best line.

That's even with Albert missing games, Ryan Lilja playing center, Jeff Allen playing poorly, and Stephenson having to play left tackle for five games.

12th best line.

Now, the Chiefs are better. If you're a fan of the trenches, and I know most of us on this site are not, but I unapologetically am:

Albert's healthy. Hudson's back. Allen's getting competition from Geoff Schwartz, and we're replacing Winston with Eric ****ing Fisher.

LT: Albert
LG: Allen/Schwartz
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: Fisher

Here are last year's top 5 OLs:

1st: 49ers

LT: Joe Staley
LG: Mike Iupati
C: Jonathan Goodwin
RG: Alex Boone
RT: Anthony Davis

2nd: Patriots

LT: Nate Solder
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Ryan Wendell
RG: Dan Connelly
RT: Sebastian Vollmer

3rd: Jets

LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Willie Colon
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Matt Slausen
RT: Austin Howard

4th: Broncos

LT: Ryan Clady
LG: Zane Beadles
C: JD Walton
RG: Louis Vasquez
RT: Orlando Franklin

5th: Cleveland Browns

LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shaun Lauvao
RT: Mitchell Schwartz

I think we can make a run at this group in 2013.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:59 PM   #196
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You have to say "Are you on THE pot?" to have that be effective.

However, to answer your question, no.

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Stephenson sucked monster donkey dong last year.
No more so than any other rookie who hasn't taken any first team reps whose been thrown into a game situation because of injury. Personally, I thought he showed quite well all things considered and displayed very good footwork. Most of his problems were decision making ones and that's understandable for that particular situation.

Don't get blinded by the fact that Stephenson was a third rounder and Fisher was a first. Stephenson has better previous experience, better measurables and a year in the league. Fisher would have to be a ****ing prodigy to beat out Stephenson.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:02 PM   #197
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I do think Stephenson is a good tackle. Enough to beat out Albert **** no.

Enough to beat out Fisher probably not.

Its a good problem because for one we have good depth.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:03 PM   #198
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Has Stephenson ever played RT?
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Has Stephenson ever played RT?
Here and there but he is a good tackle who can play both positions.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:08 PM   #200
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You have to say "Are you on THE pot?" to have that be effective.

However, to answer your question, no.



No more so than any other rookie who hasn't taken any first team reps whose been thrown into a game situation because of injury. Personally, I thought he showed quite well all things considered and displayed very good footwork. Most of his problems were decision making ones and that's understandable for that particular situation.

Don't get blinded by the fact that Stephenson was a third rounder and Fisher was a first. Stephenson has better previous experience, better measurables and a year in the league. Fisher would have to be a ****ing prodigy to beat out Stephenson.
Stephenson's not going to start. I don't care what Andy Reid says about putting the best offensive line on the field. Albert's the LT and Fisher was the #1 overall pick. Even if Stephenson is the best lineman on the team, I doubt Andy Reid plugs him in.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #201
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This is the same guy that led the Geno cult, wanted Okung, Curry, and thinks Albert is not an NFL LT. Of course he's going to think the #1 pick of the draft won't beat out Stephenson.
Yeah, that's the biggest "wtf" CP side story nobody talks about...

for years and years and years the guy wanted to take the best tackle available with our 1st pick

80% of his posts are probably pertaining to why we should take a LT

...and then the year we actually take a tackle

he hates it

...what?
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:15 PM   #202
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and if Stephenson is SO good...

fine, put him at RT

and then put Albert at LG

we'd have an all pro caliber LG, LT and, according to our offensive line guru, a very talented RT.

and a ton of depth

looks like we have one part of our team all set
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:17 PM   #203
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No more so than any other rookie who hasn't taken any first team reps whose been thrown into a game situation because of injury. Personally, I thought he showed quite well all things considered and displayed very good footwork. Most of his problems were decision making ones and that's understandable for that particular situation.
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The dude was on pace to allow 15 sacks had he played an entire year.

You were wrong about Albert, and you're wrong about Stephenson. It's possible he might improve but right now you're just talking out your ass again. Stephenson has no place starting this season.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:19 PM   #204
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This is the same guy that led the Geno cult, wanted Okung, Curry, and thinks Albert is not an NFL LT. Of course he's going to think the #1 pick of the draft won't beat out Stephenson.
Damn right I wanted Geno. Especially considering what we have and what we ended up with. You'd have to be freaking retarded to have not wanted Geno all things considered.

Okung is one of the best left tackles in the NFL. He absolutely destroyed people this past season and was the starting LT in the Pro Bowl for the NFC. If we picked Okung, it would have been early enough in Alberts career that moving him over to LG wouldn't have been such an issue and we would have been past the stage of picking a major question mark/potential RT backup like Fisher with the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Curry...eh. The guy had everything you could possibly want in a future All-Pro linebacker...physically. I don't know what got into that guys head, but it wasn't conducive to football.

And you're a moron if you are basing your assumption of a players performance on his draft status alone. Stephenson was a better tackle than Lane Johnson on the same team. Stephenson goes in the third round and Johnson was a top ten pick. Joeckel wasn't as good as Matthews on the same college team and I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that Matthews won't go #2 in the draft.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:22 PM   #205
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Pioli invested a lot of picks in to this line...and the fact we added a #1 pick to the mix, a crafty vet, and a TE who is known for his blocking...

there is absolutely no reason for this line not to be THE strength of this team.

Alex Smith is walking on to a roster that, offensively, is built a lot like his 49ers team. I don't expect Aaron Rodgers numbers from Smith but I expect him to be, at the very least, as efficient as he was last year while he was starting.

If that's what we get out of Alex Smith...I'm ok with it. Who knows? Maybe his recent success helped him develop a little confidence and swagger and we may end up with another Trent Green.
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Damn right I wanted Geno. Especially considering what we have and what we ended up with. You'd have to be freaking retarded to have not wanted Geno all things considered.
Dumbest thing I've ever read here after what we've learned about the kid, especially the last few weeks.
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well when every team that needs a QB passes on a guy two times...

I'm sorry

he wasn't an elite prospect

you don't draft a so/so prospect with tons of question marks #1 overall

which is why he went #39
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Stephenson's not going to start. I don't care what Andy Reid says about putting the best offensive line on the field. Albert's the LT and Fisher was the #1 overall pick. Even if Stephenson is the best lineman on the team, I doubt Andy Reid plugs him in.
Unless they put Fisher in at guard.

Which I wouldn't rule out as Dorsey has already stated that he felt Fisher was a good pick because he could play numerous positions on the line.

Basically, it comes down to:

Is Fisher better than either Albert or Stephenson at tackle to start the season?

At that point, who is better at guard? Fisher, Albert, Asamoah or Schwartz?
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and if Stephenson is SO good...

fine, put him at RT

and then put Albert at LG

we'd have an all pro caliber LG, LT and, according to our offensive line guru, a very talented RT.

and a ton of depth

looks like we have one part of our team all set
This.

You are a certifiable genius Hootie.
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The dude was on pace to allow 15 sacks had he played an entire year.

You were wrong about Albert, and you're wrong about Stephenson. It's possible he might improve but right now you're just talking out your ass again. Stephenson has no place starting this season.
He was wrong about Albert, but he is right about Stephenson.

He's probably the most talented tackle on the roster, and he should have stayed another year in school to develop his game.

He was just too raw last season, but he has tremendous potential.
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