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Old 05-03-2013, 02:02 PM  
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The one thing we can look forward to: the league's best OL.

Last year, PFF gave the Chiefs the 12th best line.

That's even with Albert missing games, Ryan Lilja playing center, Jeff Allen playing poorly, and Stephenson having to play left tackle for five games.

12th best line.

Now, the Chiefs are better. If you're a fan of the trenches, and I know most of us on this site are not, but I unapologetically am:

Albert's healthy. Hudson's back. Allen's getting competition from Geoff Schwartz, and we're replacing Winston with Eric ****ing Fisher.

LT: Albert
LG: Allen/Schwartz
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: Fisher

Here are last year's top 5 OLs:

1st: 49ers

LT: Joe Staley
LG: Mike Iupati
C: Jonathan Goodwin
RG: Alex Boone
RT: Anthony Davis

2nd: Patriots

LT: Nate Solder
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Ryan Wendell
RG: Dan Connelly
RT: Sebastian Vollmer

3rd: Jets

LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson
LG: Willie Colon
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Matt Slausen
RT: Austin Howard

4th: Broncos

LT: Ryan Clady
LG: Zane Beadles
C: JD Walton
RG: Louis Vasquez
RT: Orlando Franklin

5th: Cleveland Browns

LT: Joe Thomas
LG: Jason Pinkston
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shaun Lauvao
RT: Mitchell Schwartz

I think we can make a run at this group in 2013.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:42 PM   #151
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3 of the top 5 have something in common.......
4 of 5 have been the playoffs recently
3 of 5 are division champs
2 of 5 have HoF QB's
1 of 5 has a young up and comer QB
1 of 5 drafted a QB WELL AHEAD of his value because they wanted to take a chance and failed.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:42 PM   #152
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You can win a shit ton of games by playing ground control, clock control, and defense, and minimizing mistakes.

You win championships with playmakers making plays.

The most important playmaker is QB.

Alex Smith will win games.

Alex Smith will never win championships.

And this is why I hate Alex Smith
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:46 PM   #153
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And this is why I hate Alex Smith
Because of something he hasn't done in the future. Good work.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:49 PM   #154
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Alex Smith will never win championships.
Aren't the 49ers two time divisional champions with Alex Smith as their opening day starter?

I mean, without his injury last year, Kaepernick doesn't take over Alex Smith's spot, because Alex Smith was on fire last year when he went down.

I don't want to take away from harbaugh here, because he put a solid team together and coached them well, and deserves the credit, but he won two divisional championships with Alex Smith as his starting QB.

I see no reason why we couldn't do that here with a very similar offense in a less competitive division.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:58 PM   #155
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Aren't the 49ers two time divisional champions with Alex Smith as their opening day starter?
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:02 PM   #156
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Aren't the 49ers two time divisional champions with Alex Smith as their opening day starter?

I mean, without his injury last year, Kaepernick doesn't take over Alex Smith's spot, because Alex Smith was on fire last year when he went down.

I don't want to take away from harbaugh here, because he put a solid team together and coached them well, and deserves the credit, but he won two divisional championships with Alex Smith as his starting QB.

I see no reason why we couldn't do that here with a very similar offense in a less competitive division.
Don't give a rat's ass about division championships.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:05 PM   #157
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You can win a shit ton of games by playing ground control, clock control, and defense, and minimizing mistakes.

You win championships with playmakers making plays.

The most important playmaker is QB.

Alex Smith will win games.

Alex Smith will never win championships.
So far the same can be said for Kapernick.
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So far the same can be said for Kapernick.
Alex Smith is an efficient game manager.

Colin Kaepernick is a dynamic playmaker.
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Old 05-04-2013, 10:29 PM   #159
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Aren't the 49ers two time divisional champions with Alex Smith as their opening day starter?

I mean, without his injury last year, Kaepernick doesn't take over Alex Smith's spot, because Alex Smith was on fire last year when he went down.

I don't want to take away from harbaugh here, because he put a solid team together and coached them well, and deserves the credit, but he won two divisional championships with Alex Smith as his starting QB.

I see no reason why we couldn't do that here with a very similar offense in a less competitive division.
What is your definition of "on fire"?
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No way a top five O line doesn't make the playoffs.

If you think Priest Holmes was just suddenly awesome when he was real average in Baltimore....and that Trent Green was amazing when he'd only been pretty average-ish in Washington (but looked good in PRESEASON prior to the knee injury in St. Louis) yer nuts.

Willie Freakin' Roaf, Will Shields, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters. Those guys made all that happen.

No, they didn't win a Super bowl, because we had no defense at all.
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With a competent qb behind them, I'm really looking for good things up front. Albert and fisher should lock down the edges.

I like asamoah a lot . Hudson needs to progress though
What do you mean Hudson needs to progress? Based on what?

He ****ing broke his leg in the third game of the 2012 season. His first season as a starter.

You are saying you didn't like what he did in the first two games? That he didn't show enough to make you feel that he needed to improve on some aspects of his game? That he needed to progress?
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Because of something he hasn't done in the future. Good work.
For something he'll never do. Keep up and turn your rep on. Bet it looks like my blood when it hits oxygen.
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He ****ing broke his leg in the third game of the 2012 season. His first season as a starter.

You are saying you didn't like what he did in the first two games? That he didn't show enough to make you feel that he needed to improve on some aspects of his game? That he needed to progress?
This. The guy was an outstanding G and made to play C in the NFL.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:53 AM   #164
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This. The guy was an outstanding G and made to play C in the NFL.
I thought he was hands down the best offensive lineman in the draft in 2011. He was one of the best guards to have ever played the game in college and reminded me a lot of Will Shields when he was drafted. This talk of "generational guys" like DeCastro and Warmack was bullshit. Neither of those guys were as good as Hudson at the same stage.

And I don't understand why people keep thinking he's still nursing/affected by his leg injury. It was a relatively clean break that didn't require surgery. He simply was going to require to be in a cast and a boot for a long enough period that they decided to put him on the IR. It's not like he blew out every ligament in his knee or something.

If anyone needs to be worried about someone on the line, they should be worried about our first pick in the draft who has as many question marks for an overall #1 pick as you possibly could have.

I mean, Fisher is coming out of a FBS school who hasn't matched up consistently with top level guys. He's going to have a pretty steep learning curve and there is the chance that he won't get it. And I'm not so sure about Dorsey/Reid's thought process that he can play any position on the line. He's pretty long and I'd be worried about him being effective playing inside the phone booth if he struggles at edge protection.

People think just because this guy went #1 overall that he's going to be an All-Pro, but it was a really risky pick just based on measurables (which were good, but not better than what we already had in Don Stephenson) and a good Senior Bowl performance. (And Senior Bowl performances should be taken with a large measure of salt lest you end up with another Ryan Sims.)
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I mean, Fisher is coming out of a FBS school who hasn't matched up consistently with top level guys. He's going to have a pretty steep learning curve and there is the chance that he won't get it. And I'm not so sure about Dorsey/Reid's thought process that he can play any position on the line. He's pretty long and I'd be worried about him being effective playing inside the phone booth if he struggles at edge protection.

People think just because this guy went #1 overall that he's going to be an All-Pro, but it was a really risky pick just based on measurables (which were good, but not better than what we already had in Don Stephenson) and a good Senior Bowl performance.
Honestly, this is all just bias against smaller programs.

Eric Fisher is very, very polished. If you watched him at the Senior Bowl he has almost perfect mechanics.

His learning curve will be approximately the same, if not less so, than everybody else in the draft (save Joeckel, who's 100% readymade).

To say shit like Donald Stephenson's measurables are comparable isn't entirely incorrect -- but Stephenson has had to gain a ton of strength. Fisher won't.

Central Michigan has churned out Joe Staley, an All Pro caliber left tackle. Fisher is bigger and stronger, just as athletic, with just as great mechanics.
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