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Old 05-03-2013, 11:36 AM  
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Article: why the Jags took Joeckel (Some of it would apply to Fisher)

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...While the Jaguars already had one talented offensive tackle in Eugene Monroe (whom Caldwell called a "top 10 tackle"), both schools of thought said they'd be much better off with two. Caldwell emphasized the rising importance of the right tackle in a league where defensive coordinators are becoming more varied and creative in exploiting weaknesses, and Khan turned to a ProFootballFocus.com study compiled by Steve Palazzolo showing the right tackle had become just as important as the left tackle. Worlds colliding....

...Part of it, too, was the position itself. According to Khan's data, 71 percent of tackles drafted in the top 10 from 1995 to 2008 have made at least one Pro Bowl, while only 16 percent of tackles drafted between 11 and 32 over that period did the same. Also, top-10 tackles drafted from 1990 to 2008 averaged a staggering 70.5 starts in their first five years, a number that dipped to 58.5 starts for those drafted from 11 to 32.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ls-debut-draft
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:00 PM   #16
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... And this is why I'm a Chief.
You're a Chief because even a team with a terrible QB situation had serious questions about this year's QB class?
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:16 PM   #17
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interesting article. The 2.6 second thing with Gabbert must make them think there is a chance.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:17 PM   #18
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Guys...I meant after they drafted said OT. I want to know the records of all those teams for however long that player played for them. I'm saying that record is under .500.
I understand what you meant. I stand by my statement: I think regardless of position drafted, teams that draft in the top-10 are likely to have records below 0.500 following that draft.

Look at the 2007 draft which gives us 6 years of data:

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2007	Draft						2007		2008		2009		2010		2011		2012		Total		
							W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	%
1	OAK	QB JaMarcus Russell			4	12	5	11	5	11	8	8	8	8	4	12	34	62	0.354		
2	DET	WR Calvin Johnson			7	9	0	16	2	14	6	10	10	6	4	12	29	67	0.302		
3	CLE	OT Joe Thomas				10	6	4	12	5	11	5	11	4	12	5	11	33	63	0.344	
4	TB	DE Gaines Adams				9	7	9	7	3	13	10	6	4	12	7	9	42	54	0.438	
5	ARI	OT Levi Brown				8	8	9	7	10	6	5	11	8	8	5	11	45	51	0.469	
6	WAS	SS LaRon Landry				9	7	8	8	4	12	6	10	5	11	10	6	42	54	0.438	
7	MIN	RB Adrian Peterson			8	8	10	6	12	4	6	10	3	13	10	6	49	47	0.510		
8	ATL	DE Jamaal Anderson			4	12	11	5	9	7	13	3	10	6	13	3	60	36	0.625		
9	MIA	WR Ted Ginn Jr.				1	15	11	5	7	9	7	9	6	10	7	9	39	57	0.406	
10	HOU	DT Amobi Okoye				8	8	8	8	9	7	6	10	10	6	12	4	53	43	0.552

70% of the teams have losing records 6 years following their top-10 selection.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:21 PM   #19
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I understand what you meant. I stand by my statement: I think regardless of position drafted, teams that draft in the top-10 are likely to have records below 0.500 following that draft.

Look at the 2007 draft which gives us 6 years of data:

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2007	Draft						2007		2008		2009		2010		2011		2012		Total		
							W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	W	L	%
1	OAK	QB JaMarcus Russell			4	12	5	11	5	11	8	8	8	8	4	12	34	62	0.354		
2	DET	WR Calvin Johnson			7	9	0	16	2	14	6	10	10	6	4	12	29	67	0.302		
3	CLE	OT Joe Thomas				10	6	4	12	5	11	5	11	4	12	5	11	33	63	0.344	
4	TB	DE Gaines Adams				9	7	9	7	3	13	10	6	4	12	7	9	42	54	0.438	
5	ARI	OT Levi Brown				8	8	9	7	10	6	5	11	8	8	5	11	45	51	0.469	
6	WAS	SS LaRon Landry				9	7	8	8	4	12	6	10	5	11	10	6	42	54	0.438	
7	MIN	RB Adrian Peterson			8	8	10	6	12	4	6	10	3	13	10	6	49	47	0.510		
8	ATL	DE Jamaal Anderson			4	12	11	5	9	7	13	3	10	6	13	3	60	36	0.625		
9	MIA	WR Ted Ginn Jr.				1	15	11	5	7	9	7	9	6	10	7	9	39	57	0.406	
10	HOU	DT Amobi Okoye				8	8	8	8	9	7	6	10	10	6	12	4	53	43	0.552

70% of the teams have losing records 6 years following their top-10 selection.
And only 4 of those teams drafted a quarterback in the top 10. Oakland with Russell, Detroit with Stafford, Falcons with Ryan and Skins with RGIII.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:29 PM   #20
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I'd bet that the W-L record of teams that draft in the top 10 is poor regardless of what position they select.
Here you go: looking at early picks (left), QBs, CBs and LBs improve their teams, other positions do not. (Zero is the average winning percentage of teams that picked at that spot, so a positive number means that the team was better than expected after the pick, and a negative number means they were worse than expected.)


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Old 05-03-2013, 01:53 PM   #21
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:24 PM   #22
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:39 PM   #23
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According to Khan's data, 71 percent of tackles drafted in the top 10 from 1995 to 2008 have made at least one Pro Bowl, while only 16 percent of tackles drafted between 11 and 32 over that period did the same. Also, top-10 tackles drafted from 1990 to 2008 averaged a staggering 70.5 starts in their first five years, a number that dipped to 58.5 starts for those drafted from 11 to 32.
Um, can't you do this with literally any position?
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:45 PM   #24
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Um, can't you do this with literally any position?
i dunno ... seems like a lot of high picks for QB and WR bust out.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:55 PM   #25
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It was a terrible move. The fact is Khan refused to look at all the W-L records of these teams that drafted these tackles in the top 10. I bet it's well under .500. You can't justify that BS. You really can't. That pick was the last straw that made me give up on that organization.
You got a new team?
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:02 PM   #26
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You're a Chief because even a team with a terrible QB situation had serious questions about this year's QB class?
No because they think Gabbert can amount to anything. A 5-19 starter in the league.

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You got a new team?
Yes. Yours.
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You got a new team?
Yup. A team that drafted an OT at the top of the draft. Just like the Jags did.

I actually like Setsuna, but I do find it to be an odd choice of a new team
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:05 PM   #28
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jags and chiefs are the worst teams in the league...is your answer to why they drafted that way


bad teams do dumb things

jags trading away Barkley for a 7th is just epic ****ing stupidity
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:06 PM   #29
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Yup. A team that drafted an OT at the top of the draft. Just like the Jags did.

I actually like Setsuna, but I do find it to be an odd new choice of teams.
Well I never really had a team in the NFL anyway. Never wanted to be a Jag fan when they were created. I chose the Chiefs for their passionate fans, pretty much just all you guys. Specifically the SOC thing made a big impression on me.
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:08 PM   #30
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Guys...I meant after they drafted said OT. I want to know the records of all those teams for however long that player played for them. I'm saying that record is under .500.


And this is why I'm a Chief.
Dude. **** off. If you can just change teams anytime you want, you were never a Jag to begin with and you sure as shit are not a Chief.
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