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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:29 PM   #121
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that a lot of words to not dispute what I wrote

Alex Smith is a nobody...so you can pretty much just stop running down better QBs....it's dishonest, and stupid

imagine 'Elvis Grbac Fan' making an ass out of himself on a Raven's board back in the day....
What would you like me to dispute? That Alex Smith was not a shitty qb with terrible coaching, bad ownership and terrible talent around him?

How am i supposed to dispute that?
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:30 PM   #122
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Glenn Dorsey or Joe Flacco?
Tyson Jackson or Josh Freeman?
Jon Baldwin or Colin Kaepernick?
Dontari Poe or Ryan Tannehill/Russel Wilson? (6 pick was for sale at a discount)
Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?

Tell me which are your picks.

It's almost always the best decision to take the qb....the term "reach" is silly to use when talking quarterbacks.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:31 PM   #123
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Glenn Dorsey or Joe Flacco?
Tyson Jackson or Josh Freeman?
Jon Baldwin or Colin Kaepernick?
Dontari Poe or Ryan Tannehill/Russel Wilson? (6 pick was for sale at a discount)
Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?

Tell me which are your picks.

It's almost always the best decision to take the qb....the term "reach" is silly to use when talking quarterbacks.
there is no risk in drafting QBs...the risk is in not drafting QBs

and "Chiefs" is the one word proof

and our fanbase is the dumbest
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:31 PM   #124
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8 whole years?

do you know anything about the Chiefs?

do you know....anything?
you know whats hilarious. Is when douchbags like you cant read. Read my ****ing sig retard. I listen to you ****ing chiefs fans cry all the time. I sat on my grandpas lap as John Elway crushed his browns hearts.

The browns have NEVER PLAYED IN A SUPER BOWL. we had our team stolen from us, we are the second worst team since 1999 in winning percentage, and the only team worse, went 0-16. I couldnt give a shit less about the CHIEFS problems. Booo ****ing hoooooo
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:32 PM   #125
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I dont have to post anything. Obviously, between the fact that Alex Smith isnt that talented, mixed with the LEADERSHIP, the owner, the coaching staff, the talent around Alex Smith, he wasnt going to succeed regardless. Its like the argument that 49er fans have amongst themselves, about what if it had been Aaron Rodgers instead of Alex Smith. There is no point discussing it.

Alex Smith, is not a great qb today. But, he is 1000x the qb today, than he was his first 5 years in the league. Care to debate that fact? Who cares what my name is. I respect the guy, for his character as much, if not more so than anything he has done on the field. So, give it up already. Just because my name is alex smith fan, doesnt mean i think the guy is a top 15 qb, hes not, nor do i think that he is perfect. Hes not. Soooooo, with closing on that. Last season, Josh Freeman had more talent around him, than Alex Smith ever had on offense in his entire career. Also played in a crap division with no top defenses. The NFC WEST, HAD 4 TOP 12 DEFENSES. The Nfc SOUTH. ZERO......
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:34 PM   #126
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you know whats hilarious. Is when douchbags like you cant read. Read my ****ing sig retard. I listen to you ****ing chiefs fans cry all the time. I sat on my grandpas lap as John Elway crushed his browns hearts.

The browns have NEVER PLAYED IN A SUPER BOWL. we had our team stolen from us, we are the second worst team since 1999 in winning percentage, and the only team worse, went 0-16. I couldnt give a shit less about the CHIEFS problems. Booo ****ing hoooooo
then why the **** are you here trying to tell us...um, what, exactly?

how does one grow up to love shitty QBs?

does loving shitty QBs go way back in your family?
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then why the **** are you here trying to tell us...um, what, exactly?

how does one grow up to love shitty QBs?

does loving shitty QBs go way back in your family?
I didnt try to tell you anything. Nothing actually. All i said was that Josh Freeman had a really shitty second half. Not sure where you got off on this Alex Smith tangent to be honest. Like i was defending the guy, or stating he was a franchise savior.
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Haha

In the last 6 drafts, we have drafted in the top 5 in 4 of them.

Right now, I'd trade ALL FOUR OF THOSE PLAYERS for anyof the top ten quarterbacks.

Sadly, one of those guys has already moved on to another team and another of those guys is seemingly on his last legs in KC...on a 1 year deal.

Let me give you a little treasure hunt...

Go and look at the last 10 quarterbacks to win a superbowl and come back and tell me how many of them we passed on in the draft.

I'll be right here, waiting for you intricate excuses for why it was totally fine to pass on al of them.
Were you pounding the table for Flacco during his draft (2008)?
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That's a pretty damning article. He was texting friends and reading Twitter when he was supposed to be talking to coaches? WTF?

I'm starting to think Andy Reid and John Dorsey just might be smarter than many people here .

I wanted the Chiefs to draft Geno. I'm willing to admit I was wrong.
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This is why my perfect scenario was Geno sitting a year behind Hasselbeck. Give a chance to see how a pro's pro does it.

How do you balance the physical skills vs the personality? Will hr be Leaf? George? Cutler?

We already know what you get with a boyscout that can't play. Matt Cassel.

I don't think I'll actively root for or against Geno, but it probably will be interesting to watch it unfold.
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Josh Freeman is going to be a good player in this league for awhile now. He's on an upswing. Unless you hate QBs who throw for 27 TDs and 4000 yards.


Yeah and Tampa is so psyched about him that they went and drafted Mike Glennon early because they don't trust Freeman enough to invest beaucoup bucks in him. Freeman is a stat-stuffer, not a winner, he's the guy who goes off for big passing numbers after his team is down big. His first year he looked like he was on the cusp of greatness, since then he's just been treading water.
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Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

Marrone had to control himself I am sure he could have blown a gasket watching that.
Syracuse hired Marrone when the chiefs hired haley and I told my wife my fav college team may have hired the better coach. Marrone would make haley cry and pee his pants.
Marrone out coached every coach Geno ever had that's why he was 0-3 vs SU.
Buffalo is Buffalo but Marrone is a good coach.

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