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Old 04-30-2013, 07:11 PM  
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Right now. Everyone, even Herm is saying that the Chiefs are going to challenge the Broncos for the AFC West this upcoming season. Herm thought we drafted well. At least we're getting some love from ESPN. Haters, it's time to hate.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:33 PM   #136
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Do you accept even the possibility of a

smart
accurate
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clutch

game manager?


Or at least the difference between that and 'try not to **** up' game manager.

I'm not looking for a 'mediocre' QB. I'm looking for a guy who's smart and poised and who recognizes when the running game has the hot hand, and when the clock needs run, when the D need a breather. Who doesn't hurt the team with unnecessary gambles. Who doesn't lose poise. Who's capable of the clutch score when needed.

Again, I freely invite people to assemble specific footage establishing that AS can never be that guy.

But

'He's mediocre'
or
'You're going to be bitterly disappointed'

is no argument at all.

Again, Favre and Rodgers are awesome. They also come along once in a generation.

Give me a guy with the attributes I've cited, and put a competent team around him, and I'll watch rapt.
Good post.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:34 PM   #137
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In yards per play, Chiefs were #27 on offense last year, and #27 on defense. This defense sucked just as bad as the offense. How much was Crennel? That's the big question. Talk of the Chiefs' D being elite is crazy, though...
I don't think they were elite, but I do think that in addition to poor coaching, there's some truth to the idea that an offense that couldn't convert 3rd downs or otherwise sustain drives contributed to poor defense.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:34 PM   #138
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I hope I'm wrong Lee, I really hope I am.

That's all I gotta say bout that
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:37 PM   #139
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I hope I'm wrong Lee, I really hope I am.

That's all I gotta say bout that
Like I said above, I am mostly just staking my claim. No intentions for a pissing match.

You may right, I may be crazy.

We both will see . . . realizing 'will' means in the future.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:45 PM   #140
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I don't think they were elite, but I do think that in addition to poor coaching, there's some truth to the idea that an offense that couldn't convert 3rd downs or otherwise sustain drives contributed to poor defense.
BTW, so did the fact that they lined up with only one decent CB and a questionable group of safeties.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:46 PM   #141
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Do you accept even the possibility of a

smart
accurate
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clutch

game manager?


Or at least the difference between that and 'try not to **** up' game manager.

I'm not looking for a 'mediocre' QB. I'm looking for a guy who's smart and poised and who recognizes when the running game has the hot hand, and when the clock needs run, when the D need a breather. Who doesn't hurt the team with unnecessary gambles. Who doesn't lose poise. Who's capable of the clutch score when needed.
Would Matt Cassel in 2010 fit that description? He was iffy on 'accurate', but the rest sounds similar. And yes I include "clutch" since they were 4-2 in games decided by a TD or less.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:50 PM   #142
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Would Matt Cassel in 2010 fit that description? He was iffy on 'accurate', but the rest sounds similar. And yes I include "clutch" since they were 4-2 in games decided by a TD or less.
No, he was a 'our competition sucks on ice, don't **** this up for everyone else, game manager.'

Didn't do a damned thing against actual NFL competition.

Seriously, that was the easiest schedule in the HISTORY of the NFL.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:53 PM   #143
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No, he was a 'our competition sucks on ice, don't **** this up for everyone else, game manager.'

Didn't do a damned thing against actual NFL competition.

Seriously, that was the easiest schedule in the HISTORY of the NFL.
I'm not sure how you can ascertain the difference, with the natural and understandable bias we all have regarding Cassel. I just wonder if this is perhaps a 'grass is greener' situation and you're giving more leeway to someone simply because he played not to lose (from my perspective) elsewhere rather than here.
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Old 05-01-2013, 12:56 PM   #144
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Like I said above, I am mostly just staking my claim. No intentions for a pissing match.

You may right, I may be crazy.

We both will see . . . realizing 'will' means in the future.
I stated last year SF made a mistake going to CK middle of the season so obviously I liked Smith then. I may have been wrong about the switch but when I was completely unbiased I thought Smith was good enough to take them to the SB.

No need to change my tune now because CP says I should.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #145
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If you put 2010 Cassel on the 2011 and 2012 Niner teams, my guess is he'd have success similar to that of Alex ****ing Smith.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:06 PM   #146
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I'm not sure how you can ascertain the difference, with the natural and understandable bias we all have regarding Cassel. I just wonder if this is perhaps a 'grass is greener' situation and you're giving more leeway to someone simply because he played not to lose (from my perspective) elsewhere rather than here.
can you ascertain the difference between on a leash and team commander?
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:11 PM   #147
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If you put 2010 Cassel on the 2011 and 2012 Niner teams, my guess is he'd have success similar to that of Alex ****ing Smith.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:14 PM   #148
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can you ascertain the difference between on a leash and team commander?
I think the safest way to answer that is that I believe a "team commander" doesn't lose his job due to injury, regardless of how well the 2nd year player running a gimmick offense does in his stead.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:16 PM   #149
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I think the safest way to answer that is that I believe a "team commander" doesn't lose his job due to injury, regardless of how well the 2nd year player running a gimmick offense does in his stead.
Sooo, Elvis Grbac, team commander. Got it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:18 PM   #150
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There is no reason to hate Herm edwards. He was trying when he got here. He is good with personel and at the time he was highly touted by everyone.
The reason to hate Herman ****ing Edwards is the fact that he had did not evolve with the game.
He believed, and still believes that you win by running the ball, controlling the clock, and playing defense.
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Jim Harbaugh and the staff did an outstanding job of minimizing Alex Smith's limitations by giving him opportunities to be successful on early downs.

There is, however, a reason that Alex Smith and the 9ers, were among the worst in the league at converting 3rd down opportunities.

Alex Smith's limitations.

Yes, he was leashed.
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