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Old 04-29-2013, 11:49 AM  
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More Branden Albert talk: Why we should give him a fat contract if he plays guard

I think at this point the Chiefs need to go this direction with him rather than working to trade him. He's a valuable offensive linemen whether you think he's top 5, top 15, or even just meh. The Chiefs as of late haven't exactly been very lucky with drafting guards and finding replacements via free agency. The interior line needs to either do some gelling or we need to seek out replacements. Albert at LG (or RT) would help out tremendously.

I think we can afford to pay Albert what he wanted to play LT in Miami, and just make him one of the highest paid guards or RTs in the game. From the sportrac link that patteeu posted, here are the average salaries of the top 5 guards:

Carl Nicks (Bucs) $9,500,000
Logan Mankins (Pats) $8,500,000
Jahri Evans (Saints) $8,100,000
Andy Levitre (Titans) $7,800,000
Davin Joseph (Bucs) $7,500,000

I can't remember the exact figures Albert was supposedly seeking from Miami, but I believe it was around 5 years 50 million? 50-55 million?

Andy Levitre signed a 5 year 60 million with 27.5 million guaranteed. Depending on the guaranteed money, Albert would still receive less than that.

We also need to pay other players. However, perhaps not quite so immediately. We're in fairly good shape for the next two years. 2016 is a cluster****ing mess, but we're doing okay in the meantime:

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Tyson Jackson
Branden Albert
Dexter McCluster
Javier Arenas
Jon Asamoah
Tony Moeaki
Kendrick Lewis
Terrance Copper
Geoff Schwartz
Husain Abdullah
Thomas Gafford

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Alex Smith
Johnathan Baldwin
Rodney Hudson
Justin Houston
Allen Bailey
Jalil Brown
Ricky Stanzi
Jerrell Powe
Tysyn Hartman

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Eric Berry
Tamba Hali
Derrick Johnson
Jamaal Charles
Sean Smith
Dunta Robinson
Mike Devito
Dontari Poe
Chase Daniel
Donnie Avery
Jeff Allen
Cory Greenwood
Donald Stephenson
Devon Wylie
Dequan Menzie
Cyrus Gray
Without any knowledge of how the cap will lay out in the coming seasons and what player contracts will do, it's impossible to know what kind of position we'll be in. A lot of the players on these lists are pretty interchangeable with rookies/free agents we bring in and out. Many of them could be cut immediately in Reid's first training camp.

However, given the expected ages of some of these players in 2016, I still think we're in okay shape. An extension wouldn't be as big of a deal if we still wanted to keep them around at a lower veteran salary. Or, we could just let them walk, which may need to happen especially with Hali, Johnson, or even Charles (no telling what wear and tear a RB will sustain in the coming years)

Essentially, I think it boils down to two MUST re-sign players: Eric Berry and Justin Houston. It's possible to keep guys we (may) like such as Asamoah, Hudson, Schwartz, and Poe. But for only two players that will demand some sizeable contracts, that's not bad.

It's why I think especially after some rich deals like Hali's and Alex Smith's are either re-structured or taken off, we can afford to keep Albert on a fat deal. And given the headache of trying to trade his ass, we could also just let him walk after this year, but I think he can still be pretty damn valuable to this team.

The key is of course if Albert is content with hush money. Time will tell if he backs down from his stance of "I'm a LT, damn it!"
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:59 PM   #106
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Fkin Peterson. If he doesn't piss off John Tait in rookie salary negotiations, we probably keep Tait, Shields, Roaf, Wiegmann and Waters together for a few years. I could gain 1500 yards behind that. Very good chance of a Superbowl.
That defense was never good enough...the only way to sustain that would to have been to take Rodgers over DJ.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:22 PM   #107
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However, John Tait Did become a solid RT...
And now we've come full circle...
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:27 AM   #108
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Just to throw a wrench in the LT/RT discussion. I found this interesting.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...es-overvalued/
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:12 AM   #109
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If you're going to move him, move him to guard.

LT: Fisher
LG: Albert
C: Hudson
RG: Asamoah
RT: open competition between Allen, Schwartz, and Stephenson
and what happens if Allen,Swartz,Stephenson can't get it done at RT?

our passing game is going to be a big pile of shit

Allen - guard
Swartz - guard
Stephenson - potential but shaky

rather keep guards at guard ... tackles at tackle
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:39 AM   #110
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Just to throw a wrench in the LT/RT discussion. I found this interesting.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...es-overvalued/
Good article. There have been a few allusions to this concept here at CP over the past few months (e.g. the salary gap between LTs and RTs/Gs has been shrinking, and pass pro requirements have been changing in an age of moving TEs and pass rushers around), but that article does a good job of analyzing the phenomenon.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:49 AM   #111
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Both LT and RT are important due to the fact that defenses will move their best pass rushers around. It still doesn't mean that you have to draft a RT at 1.1. We're in a unique situation right now where we have two damn good OTs. Especially considering how much Reid likes to pass and how long Smith holds onto the ball.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:39 AM   #112
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Both LT and RT are important due to the fact that defenses will move their best pass rushers around. It still doesn't mean that you have to draft a RT at 1.1. We're in a unique situation right now where we have two damn good OTs. Especially considering how much Reid likes to pass and how long Smith holds onto the ball.
Exactly. The draft is over and KC didn't trade BA so that menas no immediate benefit (other than money) for trading him for a '14 draft pick. So, lets keep him and try and assemble one of the best - possibly the best OL in the league. Trade him after the season if that's what needs to be done.
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Old 04-30-2013, 11:54 AM   #113
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Another scintillating discussion of tackles and guards! Being a Chiefs fan is the greatest.
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Old 04-30-2013, 12:53 PM   #114
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Just to throw a wrench in the LT/RT discussion. I found this interesting.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...es-overvalued/
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Good article. There have been a few allusions to this concept here at CP over the past few months (e.g. the salary gap between LTs and RTs/Gs has been shrinking, and pass pro requirements have been changing in an age of moving TEs and pass rushers around), but that article does a good job of analyzing the phenomenon.
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Both LT and RT are important due to the fact that defenses will move their best pass rushers around. It still doesn't mean that you have to draft a RT at 1.1. We're in a unique situation right now where we have two damn good OTs. Especially considering how much Reid likes to pass and how long Smith holds onto the ball.
I think Reid gets this and has said as much time and again. He likes O-line; he has never said he likes LTs.

Folks on the Planet get bent out of shape saying, "OMG we drafted a RT 1.1!" No, we drafted a bookend to protect the QB--the QB that Reid and Dorsey believe is a franchise caliber QB whether anyone else agrees with them or not.

I'd love to keep Albert, and I really believe that Reid and Dorsey would as well. They keep saying they love him as a player, and that is a reason why they didn't let him go to Miami for peanuts. Shrewd move on their part, if you ask me.

Let Fisher play RT. Keep Albert, who everyone seems to think is close to being an elite LT. We would have an elite line whether it is to protect the QB or to maul defenses in the running game.
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and what happens if Allen,Swartz,Stephenson can't get it done at RT?

our passing game is going to be a big pile of shit

Allen - guard
Swartz - guard
Stephenson - potential but shaky

rather keep guards at guard ... tackles at tackle
Whoever starts at right tackle will have a stud blocking tight end to help him pass block.

All three of our TEs are outstanding blockers.
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I think Reid gets this and has said as much time and again. He likes O-line; he has never said he likes LTs.

Folks on the Planet get bent out of shape saying, "OMG we drafted a RT 1.1!" No, we drafted a bookend to protect the QB--the QB that Reid and Dorsey believe is a franchise caliber QB whether anyone else agrees with them or not.

I'd love to keep Albert, and I really believe that Reid and Dorsey would as well. They keep saying they love him as a player, and that is a reason why they didn't let him go to Miami for peanuts. Shrewd move on their part, if you ask me.

Let Fisher play RT. Keep Albert, who everyone seems to think is close to being an elite LT. We would have an elite line whether it is to protect the QB or to maul defenses in the running game.
Or we can't get a deal done, in which case we play Albert for a year, let him walk, then draft Taylor Lewan.

Because the offensive line > QB as we all know.
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I think Reid gets this and has said as much time and again. He likes O-line; he has never said he likes LTs.

Folks on the Planet get bent out of shape saying, "OMG we drafted a RT 1.1!" No, we drafted a bookend to protect the QB--the QB that Reid and Dorsey believe is a franchise caliber QB whether anyone else agrees with them or not.

I'd love to keep Albert, and I really believe that Reid and Dorsey would as well. They keep saying they love him as a player, and that is a reason why they didn't let him go to Miami for peanuts. Shrewd move on their part, if you ask me.

Let Fisher play RT. Keep Albert, who everyone seems to think is close to being an elite LT. We would have an elite line whether it is to protect the QB or to maul defenses in the running game.
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Or we can't get a deal done, in which case we play Albert for a year, let him walk, then draft Taylor Lewan.

Because the offensive line > QB as we all know.
this is definitely going to happen. Some bullshit RT in round 1 next year after we let Albert walk

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this is definitely going to happen. Some bullshit RT in round 1 next year after we let Albert walk

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