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Old 04-29-2013, 11:49 AM  
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More Branden Albert talk: Why we should give him a fat contract if he plays guard

I think at this point the Chiefs need to go this direction with him rather than working to trade him. He's a valuable offensive linemen whether you think he's top 5, top 15, or even just meh. The Chiefs as of late haven't exactly been very lucky with drafting guards and finding replacements via free agency. The interior line needs to either do some gelling or we need to seek out replacements. Albert at LG (or RT) would help out tremendously.

I think we can afford to pay Albert what he wanted to play LT in Miami, and just make him one of the highest paid guards or RTs in the game. From the sportrac link that patteeu posted, here are the average salaries of the top 5 guards:

Carl Nicks (Bucs) $9,500,000
Logan Mankins (Pats) $8,500,000
Jahri Evans (Saints) $8,100,000
Andy Levitre (Titans) $7,800,000
Davin Joseph (Bucs) $7,500,000

I can't remember the exact figures Albert was supposedly seeking from Miami, but I believe it was around 5 years 50 million? 50-55 million?

Andy Levitre signed a 5 year 60 million with 27.5 million guaranteed. Depending on the guaranteed money, Albert would still receive less than that.

We also need to pay other players. However, perhaps not quite so immediately. We're in fairly good shape for the next two years. 2016 is a cluster****ing mess, but we're doing okay in the meantime:

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Branden Albert
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Javier Arenas
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Terrance Copper
Geoff Schwartz
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Jerrell Powe
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Sean Smith
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Mike Devito
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Chase Daniel
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Cory Greenwood
Donald Stephenson
Devon Wylie
Dequan Menzie
Cyrus Gray
Without any knowledge of how the cap will lay out in the coming seasons and what player contracts will do, it's impossible to know what kind of position we'll be in. A lot of the players on these lists are pretty interchangeable with rookies/free agents we bring in and out. Many of them could be cut immediately in Reid's first training camp.

However, given the expected ages of some of these players in 2016, I still think we're in okay shape. An extension wouldn't be as big of a deal if we still wanted to keep them around at a lower veteran salary. Or, we could just let them walk, which may need to happen especially with Hali, Johnson, or even Charles (no telling what wear and tear a RB will sustain in the coming years)

Essentially, I think it boils down to two MUST re-sign players: Eric Berry and Justin Houston. It's possible to keep guys we (may) like such as Asamoah, Hudson, Schwartz, and Poe. But for only two players that will demand some sizeable contracts, that's not bad.

It's why I think especially after some rich deals like Hali's and Alex Smith's are either re-structured or taken off, we can afford to keep Albert on a fat deal. And given the headache of trying to trade his ass, we could also just let him walk after this year, but I think he can still be pretty damn valuable to this team.

The key is of course if Albert is content with hush money. Time will tell if he backs down from his stance of "I'm a LT, damn it!"
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:46 PM   #16
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:52 PM   #17
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why would they not negotiate?

Maybe the initial offers were so far apart they didn't negotiate for very long, but i don't see why they wouldn't negotiate at all.
I don't see why they wouldn't either, but we aren't reading a lot about that and that is my point. Perhaps they didn't really negotiate in good faith because they wanted to move on or were set on moving him positions and when he balked they abandoned everything.

We don't really know and that is my point with BA being painted as the bad guy in all of this.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:59 PM   #18
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My only gut ache with this is we have no idea if Albert can play guard at a high level in the NFL. He was good in college but has played the last 5 years at LT and adjusted his weight accordingly. He might prove to just be adequate, not great, which wouldn't justify the huge contract.

Also, it's hilarious (or sad, not sure which) that after five years of hearing "move Albert to guard and draft a LT" it looks like it may happen.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:01 PM   #19
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worry about replacing terrance copper?

more like "bye"
Terrance Copper will leave a huge hole in this roster (and my heart) when he departs from the league. We need to take advantage of every single year he's able to play at a high level.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:34 PM   #21
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I don't see why they wouldn't either, but we aren't reading a lot about that and that is my point. Perhaps they didn't really negotiate in good faith because they wanted to move on or were set on moving him positions and when he balked they abandoned everything.

We don't really know and that is my point with BA being painted as the bad guy in all of this.
you still haven't given any real reason why they wouldn't negotiate

'we didn't hear about it' isn't a reason

only reasons i can think of are:

1. back is really a problem
2. high money demands
3. money demands don't match Albert's skill in their opinion

either way they had to talk to Albert ... at least some
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:14 PM   #22
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Why Branden Albert should negotiate with the Chiefs.

1. He is currently employed by the Chiefs.
2. The Chiefs have committed to paying him $9MM next year.
3. His value may never be higher. It's in his best interest to get a long-term deal now, not a year from know. His value nose dives if he has more back problems or gets hurt.

Why the Chiefs need to deal openly with Albert.

1. Albert is a current employee.
2. They have a lot of money ($9MM) invested in him.
3. With Fisher now a Chief, Albert's leverage is minimal.
4. Offer him a long-term deal as a LG or RT.
5. If he balks ask him what he finds more offensive. The fact that the Dolphins would only offer the 54th pick in the draft for him, or that his current team is willing to invest $45 million over a number of years but asks that he plays a new position, which could actually prolong his career.

The Chiefs actually present Albert's best deal as far as his career in the NFL goes.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:24 PM   #23
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Why Branden Albert should negotiate with the Chiefs.

1. He is currently employed by the Chiefs.
2. The Chiefs have committed to paying him $9MM next year.
3. His value may never be higher. It's in his best interest to get a long-term deal now, not a year from know. His value nose dives if he has more back problems or gets hurt.

Why the Chiefs need to deal openly with Albert.

1. Albert is a current employee.
2. They have a lot of money ($9MM) invested in him.
3. With Fisher now a Chief, Albert's leverage is minimal.
4. Offer him a long-term deal as a LG or RT.
5. If he balks ask him what he finds more offensive. The fact that the Dolphins would only offer the 54th pick in the draft for him, or that his current team is willing to invest $45 million over a number of years but asks that he plays a new position, which could actually prolong his career.

The Chiefs actually present Albert's best deal as far as his career in the NFL goes.
KC is not paying Albert $45MM to play RT or G. Not going to happen. Period.

Nor should it.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:28 PM   #24
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you still haven't given any real reason why they wouldn't negotiate

'we didn't hear about it' isn't a reason

only reasons i can think of are:

1. back is really a problem
2. high money demands
3. money demands don't match Albert's skill in their opinion

either way they had to talk to Albert ... at least some
From going back and looking for articles or stories about it, they seem to have pretty much given up after he told them he wasn't willing to switch positions. Which is a perfectly fine stance for him to take, no one willingly takes a demotion when it effects their wallets.
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KC is not paying Albert $45MM to play RT or G. Not going to happen. Period.

Nor should it.
Why not. We have Fisher for peanuts for the next five years. So if you are dead set against giving Albert real money for playing the G or RT are you ready to shell it out to Asamoah?
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I don't care what it costs, it's not my money !

We need the best line we can get and keeping Albert makes our line better.
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Albert is a whiny bitch, but he is using the Only leverage he can in the NFL. I would send him to KCI sooner rather than later.
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Why not. We have Fisher for peanuts for the next five years. So if you are dead set against giving Albert real money for playing the G or RT are you ready to shell it out to Asamoah?
Asamoah isn't asking for $45MM.

What will you do at the end of the Albert contract when Fisher is due to get paid and you just paid your RT $45MM?

I am not saying you can't pay your 2 tackles $12-15MM a year combined but that $ could be spent in other places.
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If you're going to move him, move him to guard.

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Asamoah isn't asking for $45MM.

What will you do at the end of the Albert contract when Fisher is due to get paid and you just paid your RT $45MM?

I am not saying you can't pay your 2 tackles $12-15MM a year combined but that $ could be spent in other places.
So then cap Albert's extension at ending one year before the end of Fisher's. That gives the Chiefs some evaluation time of both players, and if they still want to keep Albert, they can sign him to another less expensive veteran contract. Or let him walk. Or keep him and let Fisher go. At least is keeps your options open.

And the best part is all that is getting done while Fisher plays at a much smaller price.
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