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Old 04-26-2013, 10:28 AM  
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Florida baby dies from whooping cough. Parents chose not to vaccinate

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Orange County health officials said a baby died from whooping cough last Thursday.

This is the first whooping cough death the county has seen in decades. Officials said it's been at least 20 years or more since someone died of the disease.

Whooping cough, also called pertussis, and other diseases are making comebacks, because so many parents are deciding not to vaccinate their kids.

"It's really unfortunate. We're saddened to hear that an infant died of something like this," said Dain Weister with the Florida Department of Health in Orange County.

Officials said the family chose not to vaccinate their child. Some parents are choosing not to fully vaccinate their children because they worry there is a link between the vaccinations and autism.

"A lot of people may not know (that) even the person who did that study admitted that study was flawed," Weister said.

Health officials said that has caused vaccinations to drop and the number of cases of measles, pertussis and other preventable diseases to go up.

Last year, Orange County had one case of measles and 42 cases of pertussis. This year there have already been four cases of measles and 12 cases of pertussis.

WFTV spoke to parents at the Orange County Health Department who said they don't want to take any chances.

"I feel like it's important so they can stay healthy and get all the shots and care that they need," parent Shaneatria Jones said.

Health officials believe the baby that died caught whooping cough from an adult.

Now they're urging parents to have their kids immunized to prevent another whooping cough death.
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:55 PM   #76
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:34 PM   #77
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:03 PM   #78
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Our pediatrician said diseases like diptheria were coming back in some states because of people refusing vaccinations after the bogus study was released.

This is possibly the best episode of Penn and Teller's show "Bullshit". NSFW language.

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Old 04-29-2013, 03:11 PM   #79
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Maybe because the cause of death is always brushed aside to protect vaccines?
Alternative theory: you are a paranoid moron.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:04 PM   #80
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You realize that you haven't provided a single causal link between the vaccines and these deaths, right?
This.

Absolutely this.

Because there is an inherent amount of uncertainty with almost any medical decision, you open the floor to kooks who think their opinion without data should be considered legitimate.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:06 PM   #81
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:26 PM   #82
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that would be a PERFECT use of the 'null hypothesis'



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Old 04-29-2013, 11:02 PM   #83
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"However, in a clinical study that evaluated the safety of the Rotarix vaccine, vaccinated babies died at a higher rate than non-vaccinated babies."
The vaccine that saves almost a quarter of a million lives per year? That one?

What is a higher rate, BTW?
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:09 PM   #84
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Funny how you didn't link this part of the study: a correction that wasn't initially disclosed, but was after the fact:

Abstract

Corrigendum to 'Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?' By Neil Z Miller and Gary S Goldman, Human and Experimental Toxicology, published online before print May 4, 2011, doi: 10.1177/0960327111407644, and also in this issue, 30: 1420-1428.
The following declarations should have been made upon publication of this paper. The Authors apologise for this error.

Affiliations
The Authors’ affiliations were published as:


Neil Z Miller, Independent researcher, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA Gary S Goldman, Independent computer scientist, Pearblossom, California, USA


However, for the purposes of this publication the correct affiliations are as follows:


Neil Z Miller, Think Twice Global Vaccine Institute, USA Gary S Goldman, Computer scientist, Pearblossom, California, USA

Declaration of Conflict of Interest


No declaration of Conflict of Interest was made at the time of submission. The Authors would like to make the following declaration at this time:
Neil Z Miller is associated with the ‘Think Twice Global Vaccine Institute’. Gary S Goldman has not been associated with the ‘World Association for Vaccine Education’ (WAVE) for more than four years but was, at the time of publication of the article, still listed as a Director for it on the WAVE website.

Funding


The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) donated $2,500 and Michael Belkin made a personal donation of $500 in memory of his daughter Lyla towards the SAGE Choice Open Access fee for this article.


I just want to restate that again:

The guy who said he was an independent researcher actually works for an anti-vaccine advocacy group and didn't disclose the fact that he did so upon your linked publication.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:20 AM   #85
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The vaccine that saves almost a quarter of a million lives per year? That one?

What is a higher rate, BTW?
According to the study GlaxoSmithKline did with 71,209 participants, 0.19% of infants that received the vaccine died within 31 days. 0.15% of those that did not receive the vaccine died. Deaths from pneumonia almost doubled (0.052% vs 0.029%).
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:27 AM   #86
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I just want to restate that again:

The guy who said he was an independent researcher actually works for an anti-vaccine advocacy group and didn't disclose the fact that he did so upon your linked publication.
Was it stupid of him to not disclose his real job?

Of course.

Does it change the fact that in developed countries there is a positive correlation between the number of injections on the vaccine schedule and the infant mortality rate of that country?

No.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:53 AM   #87
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According to the study GlaxoSmithKline did with 71,209 participants, 0.19% of infants that received the vaccine died within 31 days. 0.15% of those that did not receive the vaccine died. Deaths from pneumonia almost doubled (0.052% vs 0.029%).
Out of 71,209 participants, 135 infants who took the vaccine died. 106 infants who didn't take the vaccine died. There was only a 28 infant difference between deaths of those who took the vaccine, and those who didn't take the vaccine.

And you think that's significant? Infant deaths are certainly unfortunate. But that shows absolutely nothing. Certainly no casual relationship.

Considering the overwhelmingly beneficial effects of vaccines, those numbers support the safety of vaccines.
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Out of 71,209 participants, 135 infants who took the vaccine died. 106 infants who didn't take the vaccine died. There was only a 28 infant difference between deaths of those who took the vaccine, and those who didn't take the vaccine.

And you think that's significant? Infant deaths are certainly unfortunate. But that shows absolutely nothing. Certainly no casual relationship.

Considering the overwhelmingly beneficial effects of vaccines, those numbers support the safety of vaccines.
There were 3,999,386 babies born in the US in 2010. The increase from 0.15% to 0.19% would result in 7,599 deaths rather than 5,999, an extra 1600 deaths per year. Before the vaccines were introduced, Rotavirus killed an average of 37 people in the US per year.

It should also be noted that the study only followed children after one dose, Rotarix has 2 doses and RotaTeq has 3.
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There were 3,999,386 babies born in the US in 2010. The increase from 0.15% to 0.19% would result in 7,599 deaths rather than 5,999, an extra 1600 deaths per year. Before the vaccines were introduced, Rotavirus killed an average of 37 people in the US per year.

It should also be noted that the study only followed children after one dose, Rotarix has 2 doses and RotaTeq has 3.
You cannot contribute the additional ~1600 deaths to vaccines. Because no casual link exists to do so. And even if you could, those numbers are still insignificant overall.

As for the Rotavirus numbers, that needs a little explanation. Rotavirus only kills a small fraction of those infected with it. But hospitalizations for it in the US were dramatically higher. And US deaths would be much higher were it not for our advanced medical technology. Technology that isn't available in other countries. Countries without vaccines or adequate health care still see way too many Rotavirus deaths.

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Each year, rotavirus illness is responsible an estimated 453,000 deaths among infants around the world. Before the introduction of a rotavirus vaccine, rotavirus illness caused in an estimated 55,000 to 70,000 hospitalizations and dozens of deaths in the United States each year.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/rotavsb.html
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