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Old 04-24-2013, 08:43 AM  
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Professor told students to stomp on paper with Jesus's name on it

A Florida Atlantic University student said he was suspended from class after he refused a professor’s directive to stomp on a piece of paper with the word “Jesus” written on it.

“I’m not going to be sitting in a class having my religious rights desecrated,” student Ryan Rotela told television station WPEC. “I truly see this as I’m being punished.”

Rotela, who is a devout Mormon, said the instructor in his Intercultural Communications class told the students to write the name “Jesus” on a sheet of paper. Then, they were told to put the paper on the floor.

“He had us all stand up and he said ‘Stomp on it,’” Rotela said. “I picked up the paper from the floor and put it right back on the table.

The young college student told the instructor, Deandre Poole, that the assignment was insulting and offensive.

“I said to the professor, ‘With all due respect to your authority as a professor, I do not believe what you told us to do was appropriate,’” Rotela said. ‘I believe it was unprofessional and I was deeply offended by what you told me to do...’”


Link:http://townhall.com/columnists/todds...475/page/full/

I wonder what the media reaction will be, if the word is not "Jesus" but "Mohammed".
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:06 AM   #76
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Why was it wrong? Please explain for those that don't get it.

Really? How do you “not get it”?
Its sacrilege and distasteful to suggest this “lesson” to those that whom might view Christ as Lord and Savior whether or not you believe this. It is the student’s right to have or not have a personal relationship with whomever they might choose to worship. To ask a person to dishonor that is wrong. The idea of writing the name, placing it on the ground and stepping on it is disrespectful of the student’s beliefs and serves no honorable purpose.

Example: If the student had a mother that he or she loved and respected very much that died a horrific death and the teacher asked that the student write the name of their deceased mother on a piece of paper, place it on the ground and step on it what reaction from the son / student would this most likely evoke and why?
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:13 AM   #77
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Too bad some people can't recognize that it shouldn't have been an assignment to begin with. It's completely inappropriate and in some places down here that professors new name would be "bait"
it was a word on a piece of paper. FFS.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:14 AM   #78
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Really? How do you “not get it”?
Its sacrilege and distasteful to suggest this “lesson” to those that whom might view Christ as Lord and Savior whether or not you believe this. It is the student’s right to have or not have a personal relationship with whomever they might choose to worship. To ask a person to dishonor that is wrong. The idea of writing the name, placing it on the ground and stepping on it is disrespectful of the student’s beliefs and serves no honorable purpose.
If this is what he believes, I'm not sure a college setting is appropriate for this student. College courses are meant to teach critical thinking and understanding. No one asked him to turn in his Jesus card, and actually the purpose was to affirm what the name meant to him.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:18 AM   #79
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If this is what he believes, I'm not sure a college setting is appropriate for this student. College courses are meant to teach critical thinking and understanding. No one asked him to turn in his Jesus card.
Yeah, stepping on a piece of paper with the name Jesus on it initiates critical thinking? More like a waste of time and there are far better ways to inspire critical thinking than this dumb azz stunt. That's all this was, a Dave Lane clone making a point. That is it
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:21 AM   #80
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They should just say to write the name of the person you most admire or respect or something like that. Just stating that it should be Jesus makes it look like you have an agenda, even if that's not actually the case.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:31 AM   #81
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Yeah, stepping on a piece of paper with the name Jesus on it initiates critical thinking? More like a waste of time and there are far better ways to inspire critical thinking than this dumb azz stunt. That's all this was, a Dave Lane clone making a point. That is it
Yes, it initiates critical thinking about why they hesitated and helps them understand what caused the hesitation and the symbolism that the name represents. The class is Intercultural Communications and I am not sure the student is prepared for how other cultures live and communicate. Especially not when his first reaction is "Ermagerd we gun step on muh Jesus!" that he can't think beyond that level.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:34 AM   #82
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Yes, it initiates critical thinking about why they hesitated and helps them understand what caused the hesitation and the symbolism that the name represents. The class is Intercultural Communications and I am not sure the student is prepared for how other cultures live and communicate. Especially not when his first reaction is "Ermagerd we gun step on muh Jesus!" that he can't think beyond that level.
Why didn't the professor have them write Allah on the paper? I think you know why in our wonderful PC world....This was completely stupid from the word go
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:37 AM   #83
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Why didn't the professor have them write Allah on the paper? I think you know why in our wonderful PC world....This was completely stupid from the word go
Are you saying that Allah and Jesus carry the same weight in our culture?
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:42 AM   #84
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it was a word on a piece of paper. FFS.
Yes agreed it was a word that happens to be the name of someone that is loved by many.

And you don't get it either. This actually tells me a great deal about you as a person.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:45 AM   #85
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Are you saying that Allah and Jesus carry the same weight in our culture?
Obviously not, it seems to be ok with you and many others to desecrate the word Jesus but if you try the same thing with Allah, you are a bigot and instantly marked for death. But, of course university wackjob professors would never, ever do anything about Islam that may be frowned upon...You don't get it do you?
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:47 AM   #86
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Obviously not
Then why would it make sense to stomp on a piece of paper with Allah on it? Also, does it provide a better understanding of why people in other cultures react so strongly when they feel Islamic symbols are being desecrated?
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BOCA RATON, Fla. - The Florida Atlantic University professor accused of having students write the name "Jesus" in large letters on a piece of paper put it on the floor and step on it, is speaking out about the controversy.

Dr. Deandre Poole told insiderhighered.com , "I was doing my job." He said he was following directions from the instructor's guide.

He also disputes the notion that he told students to 'stomp on Jesus.'

In the article he said he only asked people to step on the paper and that only one student had an objection.

Professor Poole is "very religious" and that "Jesus is my lord and savior, it's how I identify myself as a Christian."

He told insidehighered.com that the he expected students to pause before stepping on the paper, with their discomfort setting off a discussion.

He says he has received hate mail and death threats and that people have called for his firing. "And it's all for doing my job. I was doing my job."
FAU put Poole on administrative leave for his safety.


Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/nat...#ixzz2ROVXvV7z
He was effective in that aspect, as one student refused to stomp on the paper and reportedly communicated why to the professor. So why the suspension of the student? No controversy if the student was not suspended from class. Either the student is lying, or the professor is lying.
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If this is what he believes, I'm not sure a college setting is appropriate for this student. College courses are meant to teach critical thinking and understanding. No one asked him to turn in his Jesus card, and actually the purpose was to affirm what the name meant to him.

Oh ok jackass so what your saying is because he's a Christian college isn't the place for him. No he was asked to disrespect someone of importance to him. You don't let the American Flag touch the ground out of respect and it is also a symbol.

Where the **** are your values, morals? I'll bet you didn't get the analogy with the mother either.
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Oh ok jackass so what your saying is because he's a Christian college isn't the place for him. No he was asked to disrespect someone of importance to him. You don't let the American Flag touch the ground out of respect and it is also a symbol.

Where the **** are your values, morals? I'll bet you didn't get the analogy with the mother either.
I never said anything about a him being Christian, only his critical thinking ability.

The student would most likely have the same reaction in the analogy with the mother, however the difference is that the student's mother doesn't mean the same thing to another student. Jesus is a common symbol, especially one that would cause hesitation, that the discussion could be centered around.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:47 PM   #90
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I never said anything about a him being Christian, only his critical thinking ability.

The student would most likely have the same reaction in the analogy with the mother, however the difference is that the student's mother doesn't mean the same thing to another student. Jesus is a common symbol, especially one that would cause hesitation, that the discussion could be centered around.
So it is necessary to be disrespectful of someone’s beliefs to invoke discussion? The professor instructed the student, it says nothing of him asking if the student would be ok with writing the name Jesus on a piece of paper, placing it on the floor and stepping on it.

I don't care what anyone other than me believes in, you can worship at the altar of the flying spaghetti monster, I don't care. For an instructor, boss, professor, teacher to not ask but instruct a student or anyone in a subordinate position to stray from their values and beliefs is wrong and completely unnecessary.
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