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Old 04-23-2013, 05:41 PM  
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Welfare drug test bill passes NC Senate

Welfare drug test bill passes NC Senate


GREENSBORO, NC — Senate Bill 594, which would require applicants for North Carolina’s WorkFirst Program to take and pass a drug test before receiving benefits, passed the state Senate on Monday.
WorkFirst allows adults to get cash benefits for themselves and their children as they look for work. More than 21,000 North Carolinians use the program, and more than 1200 of those are in Guilford County.
Steve Hays, with Guilford County’s Department of Social Services, said current law requires a licensed professional to evaluate applicants. That person can ask for a drug test if he or she feels it’s necessary.
SB 594 would require the testing up front for all potential recipients, and it would require the applicants to pay for that testing. If the applicant passes, according to the bill, the state would reimburse him or her. If he or she fails, there are no benefits and no reimbursement.
A Guilford County senator proposed an amendment requiring all legislators and their staff members to take and pass drug tests, as well, but that amendment failed.
Now that the bill has passed the Senate, it must pass the House and then be signed by Governor Pat McCrory to become a law.

http://myfox8.com/2013/04/23/welfare...ses-nc-senate/
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:01 PM   #61
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So what's going to happen to all these welfare people? I'm pretty sure that drugs and welfare go hand in hand. They just gonna get shut off? Then that just means way more homeless people running around.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:04 PM   #62
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I like the idea, but unsure about how practical the cost actually is. It seems like a bad idea when looking at the big picture.

You're really just busting pot-heads. Most other drugs are out of your system in a few days. Drug tests aren't really that effective against the major drugs.
This is well put.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:11 PM   #63
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The program costs more money than it saves, and it's another pathetic attempt to conflate the poor with the worthless by implying that they are rife with drug addicts who need to be tested.

Only a society as idiotic as our own would treat a recreational pot smoker as a greater leech of government largess than an abusive alcoholic.
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:45 AM   #64
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The program costs more money than it saves, and it's another pathetic attempt to conflate the poor with the worthless by implying that they are rife with drug addicts who need to be tested.

Only a society as idiotic as our own would treat a recreational pot smoker as a greater leech of government largess than an abusive alcoholic.
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:22 AM   #65
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The program costs more money than it saves, and it's another pathetic attempt to conflate the poor with the worthless by implying that they are rife with drug addicts who need to be tested.

Only a society as idiotic as our own would treat a recreational pot smoker as a greater leech of government largess than an abusive alcoholic.
Yea but what kinda price can you put on getting a parent off drugs so they can help the kid make the right choices in life and not end up on welfare or drugs.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:10 AM   #66
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:16 AM   #67
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The ACLU will be all over this.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:33 AM   #68
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Waste Fraud and Abuse Within Specific Reconciliation Categories:

Food Stamps:

The Food Stamp Program paid out $1.9 billion in overpayments in 2009, according to GAO.An April 2012 undercover investigation by a Memphis CBS affiliate recently found food stamps being used rampantly to illegally buy non-food items including condoms.
A March 2012 investigation by a Baltimore ABC affiliate found food stamps being used in local stores to buy beer, cigarettes, and being exchanged for cash in stores.In 2011, a Los Angeles CBS station found recipients selling their food stamps on craigslist for pennies on the dollar.
In Michigan, a woman who won $700,000 in the state lottery in September 2011 was still receiving full food stamp benefits in March 2012.
According to the USDA Inspector General, two Detroit-area brothers convicted of more than $679,000 in food stamp fraud in 2002 were caught illegally buying food stamps at their store again in 2009 after they were re-admitted to the food stamp program.

A 2-year joint criminal investigation led by USDA OIG disclosed that the owner, manager, and employees of two SNAP-authorized retailers in Cincinnati exchanged SNAP benefits for firearms, cash, stolen tobacco products, narcotics, and drug paraphernalia.

According to the a USDA audit, from September 2007 to September 2009, the owner of a Brooklyn food store and her son exchanged SNAP benefits for cash in a series of trafficking transactions that amounted to $1.4 million.

The USDA OIG found in 2011 that the Food and Nutrition Service did not require states to use the management reports provided by their EBT processors. Thus, neither New Jersey nor Florida (the two states audited) was using these reports to identify potentially fraudulent activities by SNAP recipients. The audit identified over 2,600 questionable transactions using these reports, totaling over $181,700 for a 1-month period.

Great specific examples. But, you don't at all describe how wide spread the abuse is, which it isn't. What percent is abuse of the overall use? There are millions of food stamp transactions in a month. 2,000 doesn't amount to a large portion.

"According to the Government Accountability Office, at a 2009 count, there was a payment error rate of 4.36% of food stamps benefits down from 9.86% in 1999.[20] A 2003 analysis found that two-thirds of all improper payments were the fault of the caseworker, not the participant."

In response to your Obama attack:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...ps-now/258794/

"There is no question that the food stamp program is expensive and growing. Enrollment in the federal Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), as it's officially called, increased 70 percent between 2007 and 2011. Annual spending more than doubled to an all-time-high of $78 billion. It's now the second largest welfare program behind Medicaid, which cost the federal government about $275 billion last year.

But here are a few facts to keep in mind. According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the food stamp program's growth "has been driven primarily by the weak economy." About 65 percent of the increased spending was the result of people simply getting poorer. Another 20 percent was due to the stimulus act, which boosted the maximum benefit at a time when the recession was absolutely grinding up vulnerable families. As the CBO notes, there have been no -- I repeat no -- significant legislative changes to who is eligible since Obama took office.

Meanwhile, the average household receiving food stamps has an average income of $731 dollars, including other welfare payments. Around 85 percent of recipients are below the poverty line, which amounts to a measly $18,500 a year for a family of three. The vast majority are elderly, disabled, or have children. Among single, young, and healthy recipients, the average income is $268 a month."

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/let's ban all guns because someone somewhere misused it
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:34 AM   #69
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The ACLU will be all over this.
IT already is, taking Florida to court successfully, twice already.
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You know what, I don't want to see kids suffer, they should give the parent one chance... Force rehab and stay clean or lose benefits...

Hows that for a compassionate conservative?
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:44 AM   #71
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I like the idea, but unsure about how practical the cost actually is. It seems like a bad idea when looking at the big picture.

You're really just busting pot-heads. Most other drugs are out of your system in a few days. Drug tests aren't really that effective against the major drugs.
This is true. Meth is out of your system days.

OF course meth is a hell of a drug. my wife (Children's Division) has the power to drug test those whom she was sent to investigate. There are a few cases where the drug test showed they were likely smoking meth on the way to the drug test!! Mainly because it exits the system so quickly, a elevated level means very recent use.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:45 AM   #73
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You know what, I don't want to see kids suffer, they should give the parent one chance... Force rehab and stay clean or lose benefits...

Hows that for a compassionate conservative?
That is how Children Social Services works. You are given chances.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:52 AM   #74
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These are the proper channels; not charging all poor people as guilty of drug use. IF you suspect someone is cheating the system, then report it. Abuse happens in any system. Use the proper channels to fix it.

MO Public Assistance Fraud:

To report suspected fraud, contact the office nearest you by mail, phone, or fax. You can also use e-mail to report your concerns,

http://www.dss.mo.gov/dls/pafraud.htm

MO Child ABuse and Neglect Hotline:
IF a child is living in a poor, drug filled household, report it.

Any person may report, and anonymous reports are accepted from individuals who are not mandated by occupation to report. Effective August 28, 2004, Missouri law requires Mandated Reporters to identify themselves when making a report.

The toll-free number is 1-800-392-3738.

http://www.dss.mo.gov/cd/can.htm
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:20 AM   #75
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You know what, I don't want to see kids suffer, they should give the parent one chance... Force rehab and stay clean or lose benefits...

Hows that for a compassionate conservative?
So now I'd be paying for both the drug test AND their rehab?

Anything else you want the taxpayer to fund on top of welfare?

**** that. Rehab is expensive and has a relapse rate of around 90%.

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