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Old 04-23-2013, 05:41 PM  
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Welfare drug test bill passes NC Senate

Welfare drug test bill passes NC Senate


GREENSBORO, NC — Senate Bill 594, which would require applicants for North Carolina’s WorkFirst Program to take and pass a drug test before receiving benefits, passed the state Senate on Monday.
WorkFirst allows adults to get cash benefits for themselves and their children as they look for work. More than 21,000 North Carolinians use the program, and more than 1200 of those are in Guilford County.
Steve Hays, with Guilford County’s Department of Social Services, said current law requires a licensed professional to evaluate applicants. That person can ask for a drug test if he or she feels it’s necessary.
SB 594 would require the testing up front for all potential recipients, and it would require the applicants to pay for that testing. If the applicant passes, according to the bill, the state would reimburse him or her. If he or she fails, there are no benefits and no reimbursement.
A Guilford County senator proposed an amendment requiring all legislators and their staff members to take and pass drug tests, as well, but that amendment failed.
Now that the bill has passed the Senate, it must pass the House and then be signed by Governor Pat McCrory to become a law.

http://myfox8.com/2013/04/23/welfare...ses-nc-senate/
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:05 PM   #31
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If this is being done, it should be across the board for any government benefits; unemployment, social security, medicare, etc.
On ss and medicare the govt took that money from the citizen. There should never be conditions on getting paid back.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:22 PM   #32
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On ss and medicare the govt took that money from the citizen. There should never be conditions on getting paid back.
You think people on welfare never pay taxes in their lives?
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:25 PM   #33
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Or he could end up shooting some clerk at a grocery store who tries to fight him.

If he goes to jail, that costs a lot more than getting food stamps. And it's not federal money then. Now you're talking about state/county funds.

I don't know if your idea of "work out" is similar to most peoples.
Bad behavior should never be rewarded, that's why we have so many ****ed up kids in the world now
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:28 PM   #34
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double standard?
County, State and Federal employees are paid by the public. They should be required to pass a drug screen as well.
I agree
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:28 PM   #35
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You think people on welfare never pay taxes in their lives?
They may pay some but I bet the majority get most back every year are are not on the + side vs benefits received

The Libturd mind thinks the Gubment is suppose to take care of all their needs, we are suppose to take care of the Government by paying taxes for the infrastructure...
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:33 PM   #36
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Bad behavior should never be rewarded, that's why we have so many ****ed up kids in the world now
I don't think that getting welfare really qualifies as reward.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:40 PM   #37
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I don't think that getting welfare really qualifies as reward.
It is for people that abuse the system... I have no problem with the program for the truly needy.

Drug tests are a good idea, I hope it passes the house here and they move to KC
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:46 PM   #38
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Bad behavior should never be rewarded, that's why we have so many ****ed up kids in the world now
And taking assistance away from kids because of supposed crimes of their parents will never help that.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:00 PM   #39
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And taking assistance away from kids because of supposed crimes of their parents will never help that.
If the parents are on drugs they are probably being abused and the money is not going to them anyways...

If the parents can't pass a drug test they probably are not in safe hands and hopefully DSS will come in and take them until the parents can become clean.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:10 PM   #40
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You think people on welfare never pay taxes in their lives?
You are not promised welfare. Also, let's don't be stupid. Welfare SHOULD be very uncomfortable and yes, even humiliating.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:19 PM   #41
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If this gets passed, then any farmer in NC (tobacco, dairy, grain, livestock, etc) that accepts any kind of farm subsidy or crop insurance payment should also have to take a mandatory drug test. Any business that employs people in a TIF zone must submit all employees, including all management, to drug testing. Everyone in the state legislative chain, and justice system that administers this law, must submit to mandatory drug testing. And if anyone fails, they are heavily fined and have to undergo counseling and be tested bi-monthly for three years. Another failed test means mandatory prison time. Of course, all the employees and administration at the prison must pass mandatory drug testing.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:19 PM   #42
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You are not promised welfare. Also, let's don't be stupid. Welfare SHOULD be very uncomfortable and yes, even humiliating.
Agreed. It shouldn't be a "lifestyle" but a shitty bridge to get you somewhere better.

The drug testing thing seems like a waste of time and resources. It's hard to complain about government spending while pushing costly measures like this one.

Are there any numbers on how many people "voluntarily" fall off of welfare once testing starts? I'm sure that there's some savings from that type of situation along with scaring off newcomers that won't pass a test but are they enough to justify the cost of the new program?
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:19 PM   #43
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You are not promised welfare. Also, let's don't be stupid. Welfare SHOULD be very uncomfortable and yes, even humiliating.
I don't think it should be humiliating, however it should damn sure be humbling. I have personally witnessed people driving fancy vehicles decked out in rims and tires that cost a couple thousand dollars only to whip out their EBT card to pay. Nobody is going to convince me that there is no a huge amount of scam going on when I myself have seen several cases firsthand~
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You are not promised welfare. Also, let's don't be stupid. Welfare SHOULD be very uncomfortable and yes, even humiliating.


No shit - one aisle : beans, rice, and noodles. Beef stock.

That's it.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:41 PM   #45
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If the parents are on drugs they are probably being abused and the money is not going to them anyways...

If the parents can't pass a drug test they probably are not in safe hands and hopefully DSS will come in and take them until the parents can become clean.
So you assume, 1)poor people do drugs, 2) that they abuse their kids and 3) that placing a child under state care is perhaps better for the kid than parents (whose only drug may be weed), and that perhaps state care is cheaper than federal assistance to families?

Could you provide any evidence for believing any of those things?

/my wife works for the Green County children's division, so I should get a kick out of the reply
//Green County is the number one county in MO per in capita child abuse. I do not believe the majority of those, in this church on every street corner city, are because of drug use.
///Of course, separate kids from meth users and all that.
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