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View Poll Results: Why do you oppose the death penalty?
The government should never take a life 5 25.00%
There's always a chance the defendant was wrongly convicted and death is nothing if not permanent 11 55.00%
The death penalty is administered unfairly, and violated equal protection under the Constitution 3 15.00%
the prolonged application of the death penalty prolongs victims and their families from getting "final closure" on the matter 2 10.00%
Gaz told me to oppose it 1 5.00%
Other (describe below) 4 20.00%
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:02 PM  
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I Oppose the Death Penalty in Principle and Here's Why

An exchange in the thread regarding the penalty for the surviving marathon bomber prompted me to inquire as to the reasons the ChiefsPlanet anti-death penalty community hold that position. Please note that this will be a public poll, and since you can have multiple reasons for the position, you may vote for as many as you like.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:35 PM   #16
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The second option is not valid, IMO due to use of the phrase "always a chance".
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:13 PM   #17
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If the person convicted is ALWAYS the person that actually committed the crime, then I'd be for it. But it simply isn't that easy.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:30 PM   #18
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When I look around, I feel they should really do more executions...especially as I sit in traffic.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:04 AM   #19
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I honestly think spending the rest of ones life in a place like supermax in Colorado is a punishment worse than death.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:37 AM   #20
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It's easy to support the death penalty where you have clear cut cases, or high profile cases with a well funded defense. Sadly, many death penalty cases involve overworked or outclassed defense counsel. Depending on the state, you might have a court appointed tax attorney handling your defense in a criminal death penalty case.

While I think that there is a case to be made for the specific and general deterrent effect of the death penalty, it's application is unfair in the cases you never hear about.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:10 AM   #21
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Same. I voted "other" because I don't oppose it.

Right. I didn't vote at all because this poll is only intended to find out the main reasons why those who oppose it hold that position.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:16 AM   #22
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I'm for it in principle, but I don't trust our government and all the government workers in the process to entrust them with the power to take a man's life. So I oppose the death penalty for that reason, competence essentially.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:35 AM   #23
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I am against in for reasons 2,3 and 4 and a few others. Now having said that, I find that on those rare high profile cases that when I hear about it, I don’t seem to get upset. If the remaining marathon killer gets put down, no tears will be shed. For the average Joe a fair trial is iffy and the verdict is certainly less than 100% accurate. Once the guy is dead there is no reversing that decision.

Honestly I find the fact that the government can snatch up a citizen “suspected” of something and stick them in Guantanamo or a place like it for years perhaps the rest of their lives with no due process far more disturbing than a person being executed after and conviction by a jury of their peers.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:16 AM   #24
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I struggle with it. To me, the death penalty is really vengeance, more than anything else. you could put a killer in a hole for the rest of his life and virtually accomplish the same thing. I realize there are problems, like potential danger to prison staff, or the chance that he\she could get out some day in the future. But realistically, those are problems that can be overcome.

Execution is really a way to "satisfy" the victims and the public. Eye for an eye and all that. As long as you are OK with vengeance which is what the death penalty really is, then fine.

By the way, I'm also a fence rider on vengeance. My mind says no, my heart says yes. It's something that I struggle with.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:28 AM   #25
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I struggle with it. To me, the death penalty is really vengeance, more than anything else. you could put a killer in a hole for the rest of his life and virtually accomplish the same thing. I realize there are problems, like potential danger to prison staff, or the chance that he\she could get out some day in the future. But realistically, those are problems that can be overcome.

Execution is really a way to "satisfy" the victims and the public. Eye for an eye and all that. As long as you are OK with vengeance which is what the death penalty really is, then fine.

By the way, I'm also a fence rider on vengeance. My mind says no, my heart says yes. It's something that I struggle with.
To me it's not about vengeance at all (although that might change if I was close to the victim). It's about those problems you say we can overcome. I don't think we can overcome them. It's also about deterrence.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:31 AM   #26
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Of course you do. You're a christian. Death for almost anything is what the bible truly values.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:12 AM   #27
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...it is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death." Spoken by Maimonides, a 12th century legal theorist.
I've waffled back and forth on this issue through my life. Something about putting an innocent man to death is frightening to me.

However, we live in a free society. Inherently, in this society there are risks. I'm not a gun control person, but I do risk that I could be killed by a criminal holding an ill gotten firearm. It's not a huge risk, but it's there.

I suppose being accused, convicted and sentenced to death for a crime I didn't commit is also an inherent risk. It's not a huge risk, but it's there.

So I wonder: What's the difference? It's possible both things could happen. And both consequences are dangers of living in our society. So why should I care if it might happen to somebody else?

Of course I do care. I'd rather society imprisoned the criminals for life rather than killed them. But some people are just so cold blooded in their disregard of others lives, I want them killed immediately.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:36 AM   #28
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I'm for it in principle, but I don't trust our government and all the government workers in the process to entrust them with the power to take a man's life. So I oppose the death penalty for that reason, competence essentially.
This is pretty much me. I supported the death penalty for most of my life, and still do in principle, but I can no longer trust the government.

The reason why is because we pretty much know for sure that an innocent man was executed in Texas recently, even though there was compelling evidence pointing to his innocence. (Cameron Todd Willingham)

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Old 04-24-2013, 10:05 AM   #29
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I honestly think spending the rest of ones life in a place like supermax in Colorado is a punishment worse than death.
And it's cheaper to just throw them in a box.
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I wonder how many people who oppose the death penalty also support abortion?
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