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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:19 PM   #31
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Would you find it reasonable if a kid was told to change his shirt because it had a print of a naked woman on the back?
But thats against the rules, isn't it. What he had on his shirt was not.

Don't discriminate.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:20 PM   #32
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This is a case of an idiot looking for a reaction from idiots who are only too happy to over-react. Idiots generally don't cause problems, as non-idiots can neutralize the threat. It's only when idiots run into other idiots that sparks tend to fly (See Trayvon/Zimmerman).
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:22 PM   #33
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If a shirt had this image, would you all be ok with kids wearing it to school?

Sans the white sox hat, yes
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:24 PM   #34
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This isn't a new issue. There was a huge Supreme Court case in the 1960s where some kids in Iowa where red arm bands. The arm bands were declared a disturbance by administration.
If you want to read originalism unintentionally parodying itself, you should read Clarence Thomas's opinion in the recent "bong hits for Jesus" case about public school 1st amendment rights..

Pretty much said that there were not many public schools in the 1860's when the 14th amendment was adopted, and that, in the few public schools that did exist, the teachers could clout students in the mouth for any behavior so public schoolkids today should not have the 1st Amendment rights discussed in that Iowa case you refer to.

Would be kind of ironic to apply his reasoning to this case since he wants to be pro-gun rights.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:26 PM   #35
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Why do you even read/post in here? You bring absolutely nothing to any debate.
you still haven't answered my question from yesterday. so dont yap to me about debate, in a thread thats a pissing match over NRA clothing
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:26 PM   #36
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But thats against the rules, isn't it. What he had on his shirt was not.

Don't discriminate.
I don't know. A naked woman could be "sexual language" but maybe a gun would also be a display of "violence" with that same broad reading principle.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:26 PM   #37
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Controversial shirts are banned from schools all the time. Kids aren't allowed to wear shirts that promote drug and alcohol use. My senior class had shirts that said "Big Cock Security" with a picture of a rooster in a police uniform...banned.

In middle school me and a buddy jocked Kurt Cobain's style and wore dresses over our clothes. We were told to remove them immediately.

Typically schools here would make kids turn their shirts inside-out if their shirt was thought to be offensive.

I agree that arresting this kid may be over the line though.

Just for the board communists, the Logan County schools dress code:


http://lc2.boe.loga.k12.wv.us/manhigh/code.htm



Student dress and grooming should be in good taste and appropriate for the occasion.

Sunglasses are not to be worn in the classroom unless a medical permit is on file.

No hats or bandannas are to be worn in the building during the class day. If students must wear a hat to school, the hat must be placed in the locker and left there until the school day is over. Vocational students may take their hat at the time of their departure.

Appropriate clothing should be worn at all times. The main torso of the body should not be visible. Therefore, the wearing of mesh shirts would be inappropriate without and appropriate shirt under the mesh shirt. The wearing of garments considered as tank tops or tops with spaghetti straps is inappropriate.

Any article of clothing or accessories, such as jewelry with spikes, dog collars, wallet chains, chains worn as belts, that may cause injury to another student may not be worn at school or school functions.

Clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases are not to be worn at school or school functions.

Clothing that displays advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product is not to be worn at school or school functions.

Waistband of shorts, slacks, skirts, and similar garments must be worn above the hips. If belts, suspenders, or straps are worn, they must be worn in place and fastened. Undergarments shall not be visible. Any article of clothing that is excessively torn may not be worn.

Shoes must be worn at all times. Shoes with laces should be laced and tied at all times.

Business-style blazers, suitcoats, and ties are permitted but outdoor jackets and coats are not to be worn or carried to class.

The legs of trousers and pants shall be worn down at all times.

Hem lengths on dresses, skirts, and shorts must be no higher than mid thigh.



Feel free to find the part where it says "First and Second Amendment rights are not to be defended by any student!"
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:27 PM   #38
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This is a case of an idiot looking for a reaction from idiots who are only too happy to over-react. Idiots generally don't cause problems, as non-idiots can neutralize the threat. It's only when idiots run into other idiots that sparks tend to fly (See Trayvon/Zimmerman).
I could see that being the case here. You make an astute point.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:28 PM   #39
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"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.
The kid obviously knew this was going to cause some trouble he just didn't know how much. My guess would be the class had some conversations that basically ended up with students are not allowed to where images or represent guns in the school. So he tested the boundaries.

Also, how do we even know about this? Who made it public? How did the media pick it up? I never understand that with such a silly little story like this.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:29 PM   #40
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If the picture of the gun is the problem...would he have been suspended if the same gun was on his shirt, but it said..."Ban Assault Weapons" instead of "Protect Your Rights"?

There is nothing on his shirt that is offensive. There is nothing on his shirt that promotes terrorism, violence, mass shootings, etc. Expressing support for an Amendment in the Constitution of the United States is not against any rules of the school

The school was wrong, plain and simple.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:30 PM   #41
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I don't know. A naked woman could be "sexual language" but maybe a gun would also be a display of "violence" with that same broad reading principle.
The gun in this particular context does not convey a sense of "violence", and anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:31 PM   #42
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Feel free to find the part where it says "First and Second Amendment rights are not to be defended by any student!"
There's a time and place for everything. A student's rant about gay marriage during math class would be an inappropriate place to exercise her First Amendment.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:31 PM   #43
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If the picture of the gun is the problem...would he have been suspended if the same gun was on his shirt, but it said..."Ban Assault Weapons" instead of "Protect Your Rights"?

There is nothing on his shirt that is offensive. There is nothing on his shirt that promotes terrorism, violence, mass shootings, etc. Expressing support for an Amendment in the Constitution of the United States is not against any rules of the school

The school was wrong, plain and simple.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:31 PM   #44
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I hope he learns how to tolerate being told what to wear and how to follow rules he might not like.
what creative liberties did you take to determine that the rules listed were broken by the kid?
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If the picture of the gun is the problem...would he have been suspended if the same gun was on his shirt, but it said..."Ban Assault Weapons" instead of "Protect Your Rights"?

There is nothing on his shirt that is offensive. There is nothing on his shirt that promotes terrorism, violence, mass shootings, etc. Expressing support for an Amendment in the Constitution of the United States is not against any rules of the school

The school was wrong, plain and simple.
The problem appears to be that it caused a disturbance. I can see that happening. Can you?
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