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Old 04-23-2013, 01:42 PM  
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8th grade student suspended, arrested over gun t-shirt



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When 8th grade Jared Marcum got dressed for school on Thursday he says he had no idea that his pro-Second Amendment shirt would initiate what he calls a fight over his First Amendment rights.

"I never thought it would go this far because honestly I don't see a problem with this, there shouldn't be a problem with this," Jared said.

It was the image of a gun printed on Jared's t-shirt that sparked a dispute between a Logan Middle School teacher and Jared, that ended with Jared suspended, arrested and facing two charges, obstruction and disturbing the education process, on his otherwise spotless record.

Jared's father Allen Lardieri says he's angry he had to rush from work to pick his son up from jail over something he says was blown way out of proportion.

"I don't' see how anybody would have an issue with a hunting rifle and NRA put on a t-shirt, especially when policy doesn't forbid it," Lardieri said.

(READ MORE: Questions remain unanswered for 8th grade student arrested over shirt)

The Logan County School District's dress code policy prohibits clothing that displays profanity, violence, discriminatory messages and more but nowhere in the document does it say anything about gun images.

"He did not violate any school policy," Lardieri reiterates. "He did not become aggressive."

Now, Lardieri says he's ready to fight until the situation is made right.

"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.

Logan City Police did confirm that Jared had been arrested and charged today.

13 news tried contacting the Logan County School District but has not heard anything back.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:26 PM   #136
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A hammer can be used for violence, but it is not intended, designed, and created for the purpose of violence.
The intentions of the design of an object do not somehow give an inanimate object inherent properties, though. A gun is just a hunk of metal, until someone picks it up and uses it. The inherent violence at that point is in the person, not the gun. Someone could use a gun for a paperweight....is it still inherently violent then?

Besides, the argument presented by Jenson is not only is a gun inherently violent...but that the picture of the gun on the shirt is somehow inherently violent as well. That was his reasoning for the shirt causing a disturbance.

That argument just does not make any sense to me. Trying to transfer the inherent violence from a person, who has free will to choose, to an inanimate object that can do nothing with being acted upon by an animate object, is just silly.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:28 PM   #137
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Yeah, but that's rather irrelevant. A mosquito wasn't designed for the purpose of killing humans. But mosquitos have killed more humans than any other source. More than all wars combined.

Are you saying the intent(which is still debatable) is more important than the actual resulting outcome? Because that's stupid..
I don't have any idea what the **** your mosquito reference is supposed to mean, but guns have killed millions of people over the years. They are inherently violent. That is not to say they are inherently dangerous when handled responsibly, but they are undeniably violent.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:28 PM   #138
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This isn't that though. The kid is expressing something about what would be discussed in any Civics or Government class. It's a little strange to have the kid arrested.
are you kidding, that spineless teacher's delicate sensibilites couldn't handle a....NRA logo.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:29 PM   #139
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It reminds me when some dipshit on a message board said some kind of nonsense about "There is nothing more cruel than a human being." No shit. It's a human action and emotion. Good grief.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:30 PM   #140
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Guns aren't violent. Violence is a human emotion, or rather the result of human emotions. Human beings are violent.
Humans can be violent by doing violent things. Violent things are something that causes death or destruction. The purpose of guns is to kill or destroy.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:30 PM   #141
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The intentions of the design of an object do not somehow give an inanimate object inherent properties, though. A gun is just a hunk of metal, until someone picks it up and uses it. The inherent violence at that point is in the person, not the gun. Someone could use a gun for a paperweight....is it still inherently violent then?

Besides, the argument presented by Jenson is not only is a gun inherently violent...but that the picture of the gun on the shirt is somehow inherently violent as well. That was his reasoning for the shirt causing a disturbance.

That argument just does not make any sense to me. Trying to transfer the inherent violence from a person, who has free will to choose, to an inanimate object that can do nothing with being acted upon by an animate object, is just silly.
Whether or not they can spontaneously engage has no bearing on whether or not something is violent.

A nuclear warhead is violent. A nuclear warhead can not fire itself.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:31 PM   #142
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I don't have any idea what the **** your mosquito reference is supposed to mean, but guns have killed millions of people over the years. They are inherently violent. That is not to say they are inherently dangerous when handled responsibly, but they are undeniably violent.
Rocks have killed millions. So have knives, hammers, anything you can think of.

The more correct statement would be "People have used guns to kill millions of people over the years." It is people that have killed.
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Guns aren't violent. Violence is a human emotion, or rather the result of human emotions. Human beings are violent.
Violence isn't an emotion.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:32 PM   #144
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are you kidding, that spineless teacher's delicate sensibilites couldn't handle a....NRA logo.
huh? I can understand the school or teachers having a hard time about a gun on a tee-shirt. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I went to school in a different time. What I cannot understand is why these dippy's had the kid arrested. In fact if I were the officer I would remind the school that law enforcement is not a toy and leave the scene.
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Whether or not they can spontaneously engage has no bearing on whether or not something is violent.

A nuclear warhead is violent. A nuclear warhead can not fire itself.
A nuclear warhead is a hunk of metal with radioactive materials. If you do nothing to a nuclear warhead, it is not violent at all....it will just sit there and collect dust.

Objects are not violent, people are.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:33 PM   #146
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Violence isn't an emotion.
It is the result of human emotions and without humans it would not exist. guns or no guns.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:36 PM   #147
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I don't have any idea what the **** your mosquito reference is supposed to mean, but guns have killed millions of people over the years. They are inherently violent. That is not to say they are inherently dangerous when handled responsibly, but they are undeniably violent.
.... no, guns haven't killed millions of people. People have killed millions of people. Using rocks, swords, knives, clubs, guns, etc.

But not a single one of those inanimate objects did any harm without the human intent behind it.

Do you understand the meaning of inherent?

"Existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute."

Existing in something. Violence does not exist in that hunk of metal.

Go sit a gun down on a table, and don't let anyone touch it for several years. See how much violence it exerts on its environment on its own.

Your argument is fail.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:37 PM   #148
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Rocks have killed millions. So have knives, hammers, anything you can think of.

The more correct statement would be "People have used guns to kill millions of people over the years." It is people that have killed.
Hammers have never built anything, either. They are, however, designed to assist in carpentry. They are tools of carpentry.

Cars don't drive. People drive. If a dress code prohibits wearing anything that promotes driving, would a shirt with a car on it be a-ok in your mind?

Guns are tools of violence. It is their sole purpose for existing.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:37 PM   #149
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Humans can be violent by doing violent things. Violent things are something that causes death or destruction. The purpose of guns is to kill or destroy.
Not entirely. Violence is neither bad or good. Those are points of view. Guns are inanimate objects that can be used for more than just destruction or killing. In the vein of what we're talking about, killing other human beings could be good or bad depending upon your point of view. But again violence is the result of human emotions, meaning without humans.. violence doesn't exist. Ergo, humans are violent and not inanimate objects.....for now.
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Violence isn't an emotion.
.... go ahead and define violence for us...
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