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Old 04-23-2013, 11:15 AM  
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2nd Child of Pa. Couple Dies After Only Praying instead of Medicine

A Philadelphia couple — serving 10 years' probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor — has violated their probation now that another of their children has died.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith-healing.

Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said at a hearing they violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children.

Authorities have yet to file criminal charges in the death of the 8-month-old boy last week, after he suffered with diarrhea and breathing problems for days. But charges could be filed once authorities pinpoint how the baby died.

The couple is on probation after a jury convicted them of involuntary manslaughter in 2010 in the death of their 2-year-old son, Kent, from pneumonia.

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Old 04-23-2013, 03:33 PM   #16
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This family evidently believes that God should be responsible for everything they decide/do. I know Christians who are simular; that "God's taking it from here" when faced with a family crisis. I believe God can affect things that are beyond my control and influence, but I'm pretty sure he wants me involved all the rest of the time.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:40 PM   #17
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Life in prison without parole. No solitary confinement ever. They should always be in the general prison population. God won't save them from rape.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:21 PM   #18
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:59 PM   #19
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:15 AM   #20
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:15 AM   #21
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I think they tried that already.


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Old 04-24-2013, 07:19 AM   #22
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Life in prison without parole. No solitary confinement ever. They should always be in the general prison population. God won't save them from rape.
but they would be forced into receiving medical care if they are placed in Gen. Pop...

Although it would be kinda ironical if they got the AIDS from some prison rape and then were refused treatment on religilous grounds.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:18 AM   #23
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A man is sitting on his porch as flood waters rise. A woman floats by in a boat, asking if the man needs help. "No, thank you," says the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." The waters rise higher, sending the man upstairs. A raft full of people floats by his second story window. "Get in," they say, "there's plenty of room." "No thanks," says the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." The flood waters keep rising, pushing the man up to the roof. A helicopter swoops in, lowering its ladder for the man. "Thanks anyway," shouts the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." Finally, the man is swept away in the torrent and drowns. At the gates of Heaven, the man asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" "What do you mean?'' replies God, "I sent two boats and a helicopter."
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:24 AM   #24
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That is how I see about healing and prayer but it is just my opinion only.

I have seen Christians being healed supernaturally (by prayer) or naturally (by modern medicine). When a believer is getting sick, he/she should keep both options open. Just because you go to medicine route does not mean you are lack of faith in God. In Bible, Paul the Apostle who performed miracles and wonders, told Timothy to take some wine to address the stomach problem. Why can't Paul pray for Timothy's sickness? Why didn't God heal Timothy thru divine mean? Well, I just don't know.

Just like the joke posted above, shouldn't we open our eyes to see what available options that God provide us, rather than the option that only we want? A story in the Old Testament illustrates the human stubbornness. In the wilderness people ran out of water, God instructed Moses to command the rock to flow out the water. But Moses used his staff to strike the rock to make the water to come out. Because of his disobedience he lost his chance to enter the promised land. Insisting God to do what we want is not necessary the way to glorify Him.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:40 AM   #25
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:07 PM   #26
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I have seen Christians being healed supernaturally (by prayer)QUOTE]


I realize you will be opening yourself up to lengthy explanations of why this is not the case, that God doesn’t exist and so forth but, if you don’t mind that, I would be interested to hear about the supernatural healing, I’m agnostic and while I find the parents foolish and ignorant not to take the modern medicine option, I’m not entirely comfortable with the government making these decisions against the parents’ wishes and overruling their religious beliefs.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:44 PM   #27
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There is a teenage girl in our church who has scoliosis. One day I saw that she was in wheelchair on Sunday. It turned out that she was exercising and injured her spine. She was prayed for by the speaker (who has a ministry in Peru). Next week she was walking fine. Her illness with scoliosis still remains but at least she is off the wheelchair. That just saved their family a huge load of medical cost since her mother is the sole breadwinner. It happened about two months ago.

Our pastor at the age of 65 was diagnosed with colon caner third stage. The doctor opened him up and took away a third of the intestines. Then the pastor had to go thru three grueling chemo therapy. The whole church fasted and prayed for him. He has recovered since and there is no recurrence of cancer. He is still serving in our church. He is now 78. Why didn't God heal him right off? Why God allowed him to go thru those chemo? I don't know. But I do know that because of our pastor's illness, the whole church pulled itself together.

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Old 04-24-2013, 01:02 PM   #28
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I'm of the opinion that God gave us the gift of being smart and knowing how to use things (like medicine).

Why would they reject that gift? Those people are loons.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:06 PM   #29
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That is how I see about healing and prayer but it is just my opinion only.

I have seen Christians being healed supernaturally (by prayer) or naturally (by modern medicine).
No you haven't.
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