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Old 04-22-2013, 09:38 AM  
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Mass. Police: Bomb Suspects Didn't Have Gun Permit

Mass. Police: Bomb Suspects Didn't Have Gun Permit

A Massachusetts police official say the brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon before having shootouts with authorities didn't have gun permits.

Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas tells The Associated Press in an interview Sunday that neither Tamerlan Tsarnaev (tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) nor his brother Dzhokhar had permission to carry firearms.

He says it's unclear whether either ever applied and the applications aren't considered public records.

But he says the 19-year-old Dzhokhar (joh-KHAR') would have been denied a permit because of his age. Only people 21 or older are allowed gun licenses in Massachusetts.

The suspects were also accused of hijacking a Mercedes on Thursday night.

Haas says the pair didn't release the driver, but he escaped when he was left alone while the two men entered a convenience store.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/m...0#.UXVLIbXFWSo
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:02 PM   #76
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when someone drives drunk, lets blame the car!!
We effectively regulate automobiles in this country, so, I'm with you on that.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:02 PM   #77
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I would love to see a stat compiled on gun homicides. How many were committed by NRA members vs. how many were committed by non NRA members. It would also be fun to see the Republican vs. Democrat gun murder rate.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:03 PM   #78
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We effectively regulate automobiles in this country, so, I'm with you on that.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:03 PM   #79
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my brother made a funny comment at our CCH class for those who are so dead-set against guns. I mean, like the EXTREME folks (not necessarily at you HHG).

put a sign in your yard that reads something to the effect of "I 'm Against the 2nd Ammendment & Don't Believe In, nor do I own any guns".

that should work out well eventually
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:04 PM   #80
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I would love to see a stat compiled on gun homicides. How many were committed by NRA members vs. how many were committed by non NRA members. It would also be fun to see the Republican vs. Democrat gun murder rate.
Hey, we would all LOVE to see stats like that and others compiled, but the NRA has lobbied against such statistic compiling. Have no idea why...
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:18 PM   #81
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Title: Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

Publication Date: October 1993

What does it say?

This is a case-control study that looks at the relationship between keeping a gun in the home and risk of homicide. A strong and independent association between gun-ownership in homes and an increased risk of homicide was found. The majority of homicide victims were killed by a family member or someone known to them.

It was found that people who keep guns in homes are almost 3 times more likely to be murdered.

Guns in the home were associated with a 8-fold increase in risk of homicide at the hands of a family member or intimate acquaintance, but the study found no significant increase in the risk of being murdered by a stranger or intruder.

The study concludes that “Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.” In light of this “people should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes.”

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Kellermann, Arthur L. MD, MPH, et al., “Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home,” New England Journal of Medicine, 329(15) (1993): 1084-1091
If you add that to the increased propensity for suicide...

I'm sure there are lots of responsible gun owners, but I think the self-protection angle is a bit overplayed and doesn't really hold up to increased scrutiny.

If you frequent a lot of people where gun ownership is common, I think its much more likely when a heated dispute breaks out, contemplating a show of force by brandishing a gun becomes more likely. If you frequent people who don't own firearms, the likelihood goes down dramatically. In that sense, the "how are we going to protect ourselves" argument is usually only supported by infrequent cases that get continuous recycling.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:21 PM   #82
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Make it out to "Killing U.S. Citizens Is Our Job!"
Ok, you send one to your Abortion Doctor and I will consider it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:22 PM   #83
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Because the NRA has effectively hamstrung the enforcement of "these rules". Everybody likes to talk about "enforcing the rules on the books", but nobody talks about the lobbyist effort to make departments like the ATF toothless in pursuing them.
Sorry, but that sounds like a bunch of liberal NRA hating bullshit to me. The NRA would love for there to be no illegal use of handguns...violent crime would go down, and there would be less calling and proposals to ban handguns. You make it sound like the NRA supports gun violence, and that is not the case at all.

The NRA focuses its lobbying on preserving the right of citizens to own guns. Lobbying to prevent the enforcement of laws against criminals who use guns does not advance their agenda in any way.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:25 PM   #84
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Ok, you send one to your Abortion Doctor and I will consider it.
I didn't know a fetus was a U.S. Citizen?
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:26 PM   #85
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Sorry, but that sounds like a bunch of liberal NRA hating bullshit to me. The NRA would love for there to be no illegal use of handguns...violent crime would go down, and there would be less calling and proposals to ban handguns. You make it sound like the NRA supports gun violence, and that is not the case at all.

The NRA focuses its lobbying on preserving the right of citizens to own guns. Lobbying to prevent the enforcement of laws against criminals who use guns does not advance their agenda in any way.
Well, fine, you can believe that, I'm sure no end of newspaper and TV clips will dissuade you from your belief, so, you win, I guess.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:22 PM   #86
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What do you mean, like drunk driving laws?

Like traffic laws?

Like felony laws?

Certainly, none of us are at the "mercy" of people who choose to disregard these laws either, or are you advocating the removal of them as well?
How does forcing me to drive sober put me at a disadvantage in terms of being able to defend myself?
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:34 PM   #87
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First of all, it's pointless to argue any of this until we find out where they got their guns. I haven't seen anything saying they weren't allowed to own guns, only that they didn't have the licenses (correct me if I missed something there). I will be very interested to see if any recently-proposed laws would have prevented him from getting the guns he did.

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If you add that to the increased propensity for suicide...

I'm sure there are lots of responsible gun owners, but I think the self-protection angle is a bit overplayed and doesn't really hold up to increased scrutiny.

If you frequent a lot of people where gun ownership is common, I think its much more likely when a heated dispute breaks out, contemplating a show of force by brandishing a gun becomes more likely. If you frequent people who don't own firearms, the likelihood goes down dramatically. In that sense, the "how are we going to protect ourselves" argument is usually only supported by infrequent cases that get continuous recycling.
This study, and this other older one, are together known pretty well as the most damning scientific evidence against gun ownership in the home. The NEJM is as impartial as you can get, and so for them to so roundly denounce the practice is pretty hard to ignore.

However, we do have a Second Amendment, so we do have to honor its inclusion in the Constitution as much as we do any other element. We do not, however, have to honor it absolutely; it does have limits already, now we just quibble about where to draw the line.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:38 PM   #88
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First of all, it's pointless to argue any of this until we find out where they got their guns. I haven't seen anything saying they weren't allowed to own guns, only that they didn't have the licenses (correct me if I missed something there). I will be very interested to see if any recently-proposed laws would have prevented him from getting the guns he did.


This study, and this other older one, are together known pretty well as the most damning scientific evidence against gun ownership in the home. The NEJM is as impartial as you can get, and so for them to so roundly denounce the practice is pretty hard to ignore.

However, we do have a Second Amendment, so we do have to honor its inclusion in the Constitution as much as we do any other element. We do not, however, have to honor it absolutely; it does have limits already, now we just quibble about where to draw the line.
19 year olds are not allowed to own a pistol in any state I know of
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:38 PM   #89
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We effectively regulate automobiles in this country, so, I'm with you on that.
We have a number of existing gun laws and regulations in place. Start with enforcing what is already on the books.
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Certainly not in MA.
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