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Old 04-21-2013, 08:49 PM  
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ACLU to Kansas school district: Cancel creationist assemblies about Dinosaurs

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The American Civil Liberties Union has warned a southwest Kansas school district against holding mandatory student assemblies that feature a creationist group.

“Teaching or otherwise promoting creationism is, simply put, unlawful,” the ACLU wrote in a letter to Hugoton Public Schools superintendent Mark Crawford on Friday. “As the District is surely aware, the federal courts have been unequivocally clear that efforts to inject religious beliefs regarding the origin of life into public school science curricula are constitutionally impermissible, no matter what form they take.”

Hugoton Public Schools invited Creation Truth Foundation’s founder Dr. G. Thomas Sharp to teach the “Truth about Dinosaurs” at two assemblies next week. At least one of the assemblies will be mandatory for all students and teachers.

The group has created teaching materials “explaining the origins, extinction and possible existence of dinosaurs” from a Biblical view and believes the dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex walked the Earth as early as 100,000 years ago rather more than 65 million years ago. In a lecture uploaded to YouTube last year, Sharp criticized scientists for ignoring the great flood of the Bible.

“We respectfully request the District take immediate and concrete steps to remedy these problems,” the ACLU concluded. “The first step would be to cancel the planned mandatory school assemblies now set for next week.”

However, superintendent Crawford has said he will not call off the assemblies. He told The Kansas City Star the assemblies will not promote creationism, despite the beliefs and mission of the Creation Truth Foundation.

“I agree with the ACLU, in that, if a mandatory all-school assembly where creationist truths or creationist beliefs were expressed, that would be inappropriate public-school content, and that is not the case,” Crawford said. “It’s completely and totally school appropriate.”
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:45 PM   #181
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:48 PM   #182
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Have you shared those flaws with us?
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:35 PM   #183
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:36 PM   #184
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What would it matter if he was I assumed it was feeble attempt at a joke. I do not take that poster seriously due to his open alliance with a charlatan like Hovind~
Your loss same as your allegiance to the faiders.
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:09 AM   #185
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Your loss same as your allegiance to the faiders.
I don't base my entire belief system on a football team. Football is the same as Hovind...things that shouldn't be taken serious~
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:01 AM   #186
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I don't base my entire belief system on a football team. Football is the same as Hovind...things that shouldn't be taken serious~
You lost me there, I don't think they are even remotely similar. Most Raider fans do not think straight though.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:52 AM   #187
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You lost me there, I don't think they are even remotely similar. Most Raider fans do not think straight though.
Read the entire sentence, not just the part you bolded.

The meaning is so obvious even a caveman would understand it.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:22 AM   #188
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All well and good. But the evidence that you and others suggest is there is not. The best case that can be made for evolution is in microevolution. There is no indisputable evidence of macroevolution. So, we are still left with nothing but a theory.
Your refusal to accept evidence does not mean it is not there.

Also, 'micro' and 'macro' evolution are terms only used by people who don't understand the mechanism. It's the same mechanism. Fundies like to separate them because even a child could see what they call 'micro' evolution is happening right in front of them. It is not disputable that all dogs have a common living ancestor.

By acknowledging 'micro' evolution, you are acknowledging the process exists. IF you can explain the stopping point of this mechanism, I'm all ears. Ring species do prove that 'types' (as hovind would say) can evolve to the point where one end of the 'ring' cannot breed with the other end of the 'ring' in spite of being the same 'type' with a common ancestor.

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Old 04-25-2013, 08:49 AM   #189
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Only an atheist accepts scientific findings. /Xanathol.
Never said that. In fact, I've had my own opportunities to be a researcher. There is not a thing wrong with science itself -only idiots who try to associate themselves with it.

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The second rule of the Internet is never argue with a troll, which either you are, or the most uninformed fool on this site,
Its always ironic that the 'troll' is quick to call others 'trolls'. You have said nothing of any value anywhere on this forum. The world is dumber for you having existed in it, much less every time you communicate and spread your ignorance.

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wait... carbon dating is actually a very simple concept that even middle-schoolers can understand. are you saying that you don't have the intellect of a middle-schooler?
And you just pointed out your own complete failure of basic comprehension - I stated you're the idiot if you lean on carbon dating because even an undergrad at an online community college understands disjoint functions that lacks derivatives, how chaos theory better models growth and decay, and can see how carbon dating - a linear, exponential decay model - is flawed beyond belief. Seriously, have never even taking differential equations?!? Or better yet, have the common sense to see the flaw in the model? "Hmmm... I've mapped out the rate of change here for ~70 years... yup - we're good with projecting that out over millions of years!" Dumbasses.

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So all the nobel prize winners, professors/researchers at prominent academic institutions, and the majority of academics are... idiots?

Bold. ****ing. Statement.
Obama 'won' a Nobel - it has no ****ing value.

When it come to academics, yes - many are. Those who can, do, those who can't, teach. Snide remark aside, the vast consensus of professors / researchers in the relative fields are fully aware of the problems with C-14 dating - its no new discovery. Problem is, you don't make positive headlines speaking out against the accepted norm.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:01 AM   #190
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Your refusal to accept evidence does not mean it is not there.

Also, 'micro' and 'macro' evolution are terms only used by people who don't understand the mechanism. It's the same mechanism. Fundies like to separate them because even a child could see what they call 'micro' evolution is happening right in front of them. It is not disputable that all dogs have a common living ancestor.

By acknowledging 'micro' evolution, you are acknowledging the process exists. IF you can explain the stopping point of this mechanism, I'm all ears. Ring species do prove that 'types' (as hovind would say) can evolve to the point where one end of the 'ring' cannot breed with the other end of the 'ring' in spite of being the same 'type' with a common ancestor.
Genetic material has never - anywhere - been shown to be created anew and added within a lifeform on its on; only taken away or mutated. Ever. Every time you claim so, we laugh at you.

As for dogs having a 'common ancestor' - prove it. You cannot, because there is no proof - only your kindergarten 'this looks a lot like that!' methodology. Once you accept that there probably has always been more than one 'ancestor' of dogs, cross-breeding explains your 'evolution' better than anything else. What's next - are you going to claim you 'evolved' from your mom when your dad bent her over?

Seriously, the assumptions and lack of basic understanding in this thread by the atheists / anti-creationists is embarrassing. Of course, if your IQ wasn't single digits, you wouldn't be in either category, so I guess its a moot point.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:18 AM   #191
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Also, he didn't flunk out of seminary or med school. He quit because it didn't interest him. It was not because he was not capable. He disliked the religious BS. Saying:
He (and Wallace) were the first to present a SCIENTIFIC argument for evolution...I stated this because brando used the term SCIENTIFIC fact.

He was a beleiver who turned away, not new or unique.

You drop out...you flunk. pretty simple.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:52 AM   #192
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And you just pointed out your own complete failure of basic comprehension - I stated you're the idiot if you lean on carbon dating because even an undergrad at an online community college understands disjoint functions that lacks derivatives, how chaos theory better models growth and decay, and can see how carbon dating - a linear, exponential decay model - is flawed beyond belief. Seriously, have never even taking differential equations?!? Or better yet, have the common sense to see the flaw in the model? "Hmmm... I've mapped out the rate of change here for ~70 years... yup - we're good with projecting that out over millions of years!" Dumbasses.
Know how I know you're completely full of shit?
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:44 PM   #193
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You have a theory?
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You have a theory?
Look up the definition of linear change, and then do the same for exponential change. Then tell me how carbon dating is a linear, exponential decay model. Both.

And please. Please... have the common sense to tell us what the flaw is, in the linear, exponential decay model of carbon dating...

Explain how it's flawed beyond belief..
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Look up the definition of linear change, and then do the same for exponential change. Then tell me how carbon dating is a linear, exponential decay model. Both.

And please. Please... have the common sense to tell us what the flaw is, in the linear, exponential decay model of carbon dating...

Explain how it's flawed beyond belief..
Hey did I miss Raderhader's rebuttal to the flaws in evolution? I was watching the draft am sure I missed all his proofs.
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