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View Poll Results: Would you be comfortable with this in your neighborhood?
Yes. This makes me feel safer. 13 20.00%
No. This is a violation of the 4th Amendment 50 76.92%
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:22 PM  
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:42 PM   #106
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WTF. Are the police supposed to knock politely and ask "Sorry, but are you a terrorist?"
Exactly. If that guy was hiding in the very first house they went to but told the residents not to allow the police in and held them at gun point and the search went on for days or weeks and he just hung out in their basement because no search could be done....
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:43 PM   #107
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I hate wiki. But lacking anything better, there is this statement...."Conversely, the Court has approved routine warrantless seizures, for example "where there is probable cause to believe that a criminal offense has been or is being committed."[20] Thus, the reasonableness requirement and the warrant requirement are somewhat different."

We need a real lawyer to address this if we hope to achieve any resolution. Like thats possible here. But it implys that under some circumstances warrantless searches are in fact permissable. But it is a wiki reference.
That is accurate. But they still have to demonstrate why they thought a crime was being committed. They can't just say "we thought..." and that's it.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:43 PM   #108
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:43 PM   #109
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There is a big difference between "afraid of" and certain of.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:45 PM   #110
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They don't have to be certain. Go back and read this post by brainiac

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Old 04-21-2013, 07:46 PM   #111
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That is accurate. But they still have to demonstrate why they thought a crime was being committed. They can't just say "we thought..." and that's it.
As much as wanna agree with you. I just dont think that is the case anymore.
They can turn any situation into anything they want, when ever they want, with lil to no retribution for lack of a better word.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:47 PM   #112
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:47 PM   #113
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The people expressing all of the righteous indignation in this thread remind me of a guy I used to work with.

He was absolutely outraged when the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was passed. He was ranting about it one day at lunch, and he said he would rather see a plane go down every month than see this bill passed because it was such an egregious violation of everybody's civil rights.

I didn't think "Wow, he sure feels strongly about this". Instead, I thought "What a ****ing asshole".

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Old 04-21-2013, 07:48 PM   #114
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That is accurate. But they still have to demonstrate why they thought a crime was being committed. They can't just say "we thought..." and that's it.
Before or after the search? Who do they have to demonstrate it to? Do they need some neat statement to read to Mr Homeowner and gain his agreement or have a chat till everyone is buying in? Is a hold up, an abduction/car jacking, a dead cop and bombs enough demonstration a crime in inderway?
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:48 PM   #115
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I hate wiki. But lacking anything better, there is this statement...."Conversely, the Court has approved routine warrantless seizures, for example "where there is probable cause to believe that a criminal offense has been or is being committed."[20] Thus, the reasonableness requirement and the warrant requirement are somewhat different."

We need a real lawyer to address this if we hope to achieve any resolution. Like thats possible here. But it implys that under some circumstances warrantless searches are in fact permissable. But it is a wiki reference.
Oh quit with this nonsense! If there is ever a terrorist loose in your neighborhood and swat shows up looking for him if you don't come out with guns blazing you are a pussy
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Before or after the search? Who do they have to demonstrate it to? Do they need some neat statement to read to Mr Homeowner and gain his agreement or have a chat till everyone is buying in? Is a hold up, an abduction/car jacking, a dead cop and bombs enough demonstration a crime in inderway?
FTR, I think their saying they didn't rob a 7-11 now. It was a mix-up by the media. They did rob the guy they carjacked out of money from the ATM though.
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Oh quit with this nonsense! If there is ever a terrorist loose in your neighborhood and swat shows up looking for him if you don't come out with guns blazing you are a pussy
Yea. Brock already established that though. However, id be prone to greet Mr abdul al-terror with a harsh welcome but not a Swat team. I may be a pussy. But I am not that stupid. Swat is doing their job. I can holster my weapon for them.
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Before or after the search? Who do they have to demonstrate it to? Do they need some neat statement to read to Mr Homeowner and gain his agreement or have a chat till everyone is buying in? Is a hold up, an abduction/car jacking, a dead cop and bombs enough demonstration a crime in inderway?
They only have to demonstrate their probable cause if they are called on it. Otherwise if no one ever calls them on it via a law suit then it's probably going to go bye the bye. They don't have to demonstrate it before.
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Are you a Supreme Court Judge??? No??? .
Doesn't mean ****. Even SC justices can rule incorrectly.
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