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Old 04-18-2013, 04:22 PM  
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #2
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:07 PM   #3
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:14 PM   #4
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:16 PM   #5
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #6
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:48 PM   #7
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You're absolutely right.

Whitman carried with him four long arms and three handguns, which he had all purchased legally, and with no background checks or waiting periods despite his history of anxiety, depression, radical mood swings, and self-admitted lack of violent impulse control. He then illegally sawed off his shotgun in full view of a federal employee (his mailman) and used that to kill his first three victims, within the tower. Even though he also carried with him an M1 carbine with several 15- or 30-round magazines, the last 11 of his 14 kills were accomplished with the scoped Remington 700 hunting rifle, with which he exhibited deadly accuracy due to his natural knack for sharpshooting and training as a Marine sniper. He had plenty of time to fire due to the police having no long-range weaponry (there were no SWAT teams back then), his near complete cover behind the iron and concrete railing, and the fact that the civilians did not return fire until they were organized by the responding police, despite it being 1966 Texas. He was eventually confronted and killed by the Texas Rangers, not one of the many armed civilians.

But you are right; if there was a ban on large capacity magazines, it would only have affected the carbine, which he ultimately did not use. It sure is a good thing we have background checks and waiting periods now, because if they had existed in 1966, maybe they would have prevented him from buying the guns at all. Also - partly due to Whitman's rampage - the police have SWAT units, and we have heightened awareness and response procedures ingrained in us that they didn't have back then.

Progress, eh?
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:02 PM   #8
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I completely agree with everything that points out the worthless shitbags who have an agenda and are willing to use kids from a horrible event as props to move it forward. This includes the worthless shitbag followers of those shitbags who know nothing about guns or what the real problems are. That said anyone who says "oh snap" needs their ****ing ass kicked~
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:05 PM   #9
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Background checks on Whitman would have yielded nothing. He received an Honorable discharge from the USMC. Additionally he was not a Marine sniper, although stretching the truth adds drama to your story ("trained killa goes ka-razy"). Like his rampage leading to the formation of SWAT teams, because mass murder never happened until Whitman snapped.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:29 PM   #10
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You're absolutely right.

Whitman carried with him four long arms and three handguns, which he had all purchased legally, and with no background checks or waiting periods despite his history of anxiety, depression, radical mood swings, and self-admitted lack of violent impulse control. He then illegally sawed off his shotgun in full view of a federal employee (his mailman) and used that to kill his first three victims, within the tower. Even though he also carried with him an M1 carbine with several 15- or 30-round magazines, the last 11 of his 14 kills were accomplished with the scoped Remington 700 hunting rifle, with which he exhibited deadly accuracy due to his natural knack for sharpshooting and training as a Marine sniper. He had plenty of time to fire due to the police having no long-range weaponry (there were no SWAT teams back then), his near complete cover behind the iron and concrete railing, and the fact that the civilians did not return fire until they were organized by the responding police, despite it being 1966 Texas. He was eventually confronted and killed by the Texas Rangers, not one of the many armed civilians.

But you are right; if there was a ban on large capacity magazines, it would only have affected the carbine, which he ultimately did not use. It sure is a good thing we have background checks and waiting periods now, because if they had existed in 1966, maybe they would have prevented him from buying the guns at all. Also - partly due to Whitman's rampage - the police have SWAT units, and we have heightened awareness and response procedures ingrained in us that they didn't have back then.

Progress, eh?
OR, he might have purchased them in the black market or stollen them like most of today's bad guys and still carried out a tragic shooting.

Seriously, do some of you even attempt to use your brains?
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:33 PM   #11
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Whitman constantly wrote and mentioned to his friends about how he was losing control of his mental state. He did receive the honorable discharge, but they only monitored his physical health, and did no mental health testing. After he got out, he suffered heavily from depression and violent outbursts, and both his wife and mother suggested counseling. He threatened to outright kill his father, more than once. He had run-ins with his teacher that would have led to his institutionalization today. If modern mental health practices were available to him in 1966, he certainly would have been treated for his mental condition, which would (should) have precluded him buying firearms. They may even have found the tumor that was causing it all.

He earned the Marine sharp shooter rating, with high scores on hitting moving targets and long range, and was lauded by several for his accuracy. I counted that as a sniper. He was, literally, a trained killer gone crazy.

Before 1966, most murders were domestic, and with relatively low body counts. Whitman's rampage, among others, introduced mass murder into the foreground, and law enforcement agencies started to upgrade their firepower and develop teams such as SWAT, which debuted in LA in 1967. It's not a big stretch.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:42 PM   #12
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Whitman constantly wrote and mentioned to his friends about how he was losing control of his mental state. He did receive the honorable discharge, but they only monitored his physical health, and did no mental health testing. After he got out, he suffered heavily from depression and violent outbursts, and both his wife and mother suggested counseling. He threatened to outright kill his father, more than once. He had run-ins with his teacher that would have led to his institutionalization today. If modern mental health practices were available to him in 1966, he certainly would have been treated for his mental condition, which would (should) have precluded him buying firearms. They may even have found the tumor that was causing it all.

He earned the Marine sharp shooter rating, with high scores on hitting moving targets and long range, and was lauded by several for his accuracy. I counted that as a sniper. He was, literally, a trained killer gone crazy.

Before 1966, most murders were domestic, and with relatively low body counts. Whitman's rampage, among others, introduced mass murder into the foreground, and law enforcement agencies started to upgrade their firepower and develop teams such as SWAT, which debuted in LA in 1967. It's not a big stretch.

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You made your stance clear when being called out for supporting new laws that would have done nothing to prevent these mass shootings. You replied we take what we can get or something along those lines. So in short I could give a shit less what you think on this subject but will take the time to tell you to **** off~
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:44 PM   #13
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OR, he might have purchased them in the black market or stollen them like most of today's bad guys and still carried out a tragic shooting.

Seriously, do some of you even attempt to use your brains?
Again, yup. He might have. Nowhere in his history is there any indication that would even know where to find a black market, but he could have stolen guns, sure. He was not a skilled thief nor a particularly subtle guy, so he might have been caught, but sure, OK, he might have been able to steal (for example) the shotgun he used to gain access to the top level of the tower in the first place, or any of the other guns he thought he'd need for what he expected to be a prolonged siege. He also might not have.

Who knows? But it sure made building his arsenal a lot easier for him for everything to be right there, with no checks or worries of any kind.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #14
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To all those against limits on high capacity magazines.

What trauma did you experience after the Brady Bill was passed up until the high capacity ban expired in 2004 or so?

Did you just have a little less fun when you went to the gun range to imagine playing bang bang kissyface, cowboys and indians, or klansmen versus the blacks at the shooting range?

Not sure how Whitman's situation affects the measure of lethality of the Virginia Tech, Tucson, Aurora and Newtown shootings, but I think we can all agree that it was a tremendous tragedy of immeasurable proportions when shooters for fun had a little less sh*ts and giggles when they went to play with their guns.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #15
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Again, yup. He might have. Nowhere in his history is there any indication that would even know where to find a black market, but he could have stolen guns, sure. He was not a skilled thief nor a particularly subtle guy, so he might have been caught, but sure, OK, he might have been able to steal (for example) the shotgun he used to gain access to the top level of the tower in the first place, or any of the other guns he thought he'd need for what he expected to be a prolonged siege. He also might not have.

Who knows? But it sure made building his arsenal a lot easier for him for everything to be right there, with no checks or worries of any kind.
You either missed the point I was making, or you're dodging it.
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