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Old 04-18-2013, 10:16 AM  
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Will the Boston bombers be hired by Columbia University?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...7PwFkbO1NheqNL

Tale of two terrorists
By JOHN M. MURTAGH

Last Updated: 12:46 AM, April 18, 2013

Posted: 11:54 PM, April 17, 2013

Somewhere near Boston early Monday morning, he packed a bomb in a bag. It was by all accounts relatively crude — a pressure cooker, explosives, some wires, ball bearings and nails . . . nails which, hours later, doctors would struggle to remove from the flesh of bleeding victims.

His motive is unclear. His intent is not: It was to maximize injury, suffering, pain, trauma and, yes, death.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be offered a teaching job at Columbia University.

Forty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.

Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.

One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.

Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.

She reappeared over a decade later driving the getaway car for the rag tag mix of Weathermen and Black Panthers who held up a Rockland County bank in 1981, murdering three in the process. Survivors of the ambush along the New York State Thruway recount how Boudin emerged from the driver’s door, arms raised in surrender, asking the police to lower their guns. When they did, her accomplices burst from the back of the van guns blazing.

As I said, people of a certain age remember this history. For those that don’t, Robert Redford is kindly about to release a movie recounting the Rockland robbery (albeit relocated to Michigan). By all accounts, the film lionizes the Weather Underground terrorists, Boudin and her accomplices.

Perhaps to bring it full circle, Professor Boudin can soon guest-lecture at a film class at Columbia when the Redford movie is screened.

Other than the passage of time, one can find no real distinction between the cowardly actions of last Monday’s Boston murderer and the terror carried out by Boudin and her accomplices. Yet today we live in a country where our leading educational institutions see fit to trust our children’s education to murderers and Hollywood sees fit to celebrate terrorists.

The Web site of Columbia’s School of Social Work sums up Boudin’s past thus: “Dr. Kathy Boudin has been an educator and counselor with experience in program development since 1964, working within communities with limited resources to solve social problems.”

“Since 1964” — that would include the bombing of my house, it would include the anti-personnel devices intended for Fort Dix and it would include the dead policeman on the side of the Thruway in 1981.

Maybe, if he is caught, Monday’s bomber can explain that, like Boudin, he was merely working within the community to solve social problems.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not. Perhaps, some day, Monday’s bomber will be offered tenure at Columbia University.


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Old 04-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #91
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Too bad that was written in 2001, after she had been denied parole, and was in the process of lobbying for another parole opportunity, which she would finally get in 2003....I frankly take it with a very big grain of salt, given her recent statements in support of her fellow terrorists.

Interesting that her "apology" is no longer easy to find on the web, you have to dig into her website archives to find it. Props for finding it, I suppose, as it does not come up readily in a google search.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #92
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I responded by questioning whether there was a gun control left. read the first paragraph.

I then responded that the people in Newtown and relatives of other murder victims wanted to be heard. Read the next one sentence paragraph.

I then responded directly to patteeu with the final paragraph that reads:

"Seems to me that there were no plans to work on any federal gun control legislation until Newtown, but a lot of legislation followed 9/11, and you fell for every B*sh policy whose primary rationale was, "The world changed on 9/11." In a lot of cases that would be a proper justification, shame that B*sh let D*ck Ch*ney run things and D*ck Ch*ney proved to be a collossal dumbazz."


I don't think that bringing the Newtown families and the families of other murder victims, and Gabby Giffords to Washington is bad behavior. Why do you think it is?

Those people suffered serious loss in their families and they are willing advocates for something they believe in.

Do you think they are being enslaved or unwillingly exploited?

Do you think they should not have any say at all?

If this is the day for getting sick of something. I am kind of sick of you thinking that you are the only one that knows anything at all.

You posted a criticism that did not apply and for some unknown reason you want to stand by it. How about stay away from quoting and characterizing my posts when you are too lazy to read them and characterize them correctly in the first place.
Both presidents pushed unconstitutional agendas that have either taken away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens or were trying to take away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens...while standing on the graves of victims. It's bad behavior. By both of them.

And trying to justify your guy doing it by claiming that the other guy did it too is getting to be a pretty tired argument.

The families of the victims have the right to speak. I am absolutely positive that there are some families of the victims of 9/11 that did not support the Patriot Act, and I am absolutely sure that some of the families of the victims of Sandy Hook do not support gun control. Why didn't we see them paraded in front of the media with the president at their side and a list of talking points? Because it wasn't on the agenda, in either president's case.

Bad behavior. Never let a tragedy go to waste. I'm tired of it.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:05 PM   #93
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Both presidents pushed unconstitutional agendas that have either taken away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens or were trying to take away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens...while standing on the graves of victims. It's bad behavior. By both of them.

And trying to justify your guy doing it by claiming that the other guy did it too is getting to be a pretty tired argument.

The families of the victims have the right to speak. I am absolutely positive that there are some families of the victims of 9/11 that did not support the Patriot Act, and I am absolutely sure that some of the families of the victims of Sandy Hook do not support gun control. Why didn't we see them paraded in front of the media with the president at their side and a list of talking points? Because it wasn't on the agenda, in either president's case.

Bad behavior. Never let a tragedy go to waste. I'm tired of it.
Unless you are in the family of a victim of Kathy Boudin and Weather Underground, as the author of the article in the opening post is....
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:15 PM   #94
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Too bad that was written in 2001, after she had been denied parole, and was in the process of lobbying for another parole opportunity, which she would finally get in 2003....I frankly take it with a very big grain of salt, given her recent statements in support of her fellow terrorists.

Interesting that her "apology" is no longer easy to find on the web, you have to dig into her website archives to find it. Props for finding it, I suppose, as it does not come up readily in a google search.
That being said, it was an apology she issued, so I will back off of my statement that she was unrepentant. She apologized enough to convince a parole board to grant her parole after three failed attempts.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:18 PM   #95
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Too bad that was written in 2001, after she had been denied parole, and was in the process of lobbying for another parole opportunity, which she would finally get in 2003....I frankly take it with a very big grain of salt, given her recent statements in support of her fellow terrorists.

Interesting that her "apology" is no longer easy to find on the web, you have to dig into her website archives to find it. Props for finding it, I suppose, as it does not come up readily in a google search.
Yeah, I typed her name and "remorse" and found it on the first page. Real difficult.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:39 PM   #96
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Both presidents pushed unconstitutional agendas that have either taken away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens or were trying to take away the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens...while standing on the graves of victims. It's bad behavior. By both of them.

And trying to justify your guy doing it by claiming that the other guy did it too is getting to be a pretty tired argument.

The families of the victims have the right to speak. I am absolutely positive that there are some families of the victims of 9/11 that did not support the Patriot Act, and I am absolutely sure that some of the families of the victims of Sandy Hook do not support gun control. Why didn't we see them paraded in front of the media with the president at their side and a list of talking points? Because it wasn't on the agenda, in either president's case.

Bad behavior. Never let a tragedy go to waste. I'm tired of it.
Well, you are just too damn prejudiced to figure out that there is a difference between me saying that Patteeu seems to have changed his position about referring to an event and me agreeing with Obama on something.

Get it straight, I think it was okay for Obama to feel like he owed the Newtown families his best effort and I think it was okay for the Newtown families and other victims of gun violence to be there expressing what they believed.

Saying that I agree with something is not justifying action based on the wrongdoing of somebody else.

Get it straight. My opinion is that it was an okay thing to do. Can you possibly figure that out?

And if you think the Newtown families are full of sh*t, write them a letter.
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Yeah, I typed her name and "remorse" and found it on the first page. Real difficult.
I typed her name and apology and got nothing. Found this on another page when I was googling her in general:

http://web.archive.org/web/200606161...com/index.html

As you can see, the webpage is not even active. My apologies that I did not use 14 different terms for apology.

She's still a terrorist, by the way.
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Yeah, I typed her name and "remorse" and found it on the first page. Real difficult.
I typed her name and remorse into google just for fun...and found that while the quotes were in an article on the bottom of the first page, they were pretty deep in an article about her appoint at Columbia, an article, that, by its title, one would not associate with an apology for her terrorist acts. So, while not difficult, it was not blatantly apparent as you make it appear, either.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:02 PM   #99
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Well, you are just too damn prejudiced to figure out that there is a difference between me saying that Patteeu seems to have changed his position about referring to an event and me agreeing with Obama on something.

Get it straight, I think it was okay for Obama to feel like he owed the Newtown families his best effort and I think it was okay for the Newtown families and other victims of gun violence to be there expressing what they believed.

Saying that I agree with something is not justifying action based on the wrongdoing of somebody else.

Get it straight. My opinion is that it was an okay thing to do. Can you possibly figure that out?

And if you think the Newtown families are full of sh*t, write them a letter.
So you were against what Bush did after 9/11, okay with what Obama did after Sandy Hook, and against this guy calling Columbia out about hiring a former terrorist? Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to put words in your mouth or anything, but if that is indeed the case, it seems pretty inconsistent.

I'm against what both president's did, consistent with my belief that the government shouldn't make laws that take away the Constitutional rights of the people.

But I am okay with this guy speaking out, because it has no bearing on anyone's rights, including the former terrorist. He is just a pissed off victim, and his editorial basically just asks the question "Will Columbia hire the Boston bomber too?" I also believe prospective students deserve to know what they are in for when they apply to Columbia.
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I typed her name and remorse into google just for fun...and found that while the quotes were in an article on the bottom of the first page, they were pretty deep in an article about her appoint at Columbia, an article, that, by its title, one would not associate with an apology for her terrorist acts. So, while not difficult, it was not blatantly apparent as you make it appear, either.
Lesson #2 on how to search:

After you click on a page hit CTRL+F and type the word you would like to find. Then hit next to find the next instance of said word.

On that page, I had to hit next 3 times to reach the paragraph that introduces her letter. Real Difficult.

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She has indeed “repented” and expressed remorse for her past involvement with political violence.
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Lesson #2 on how to search:

After you click on a page hit CTRL+F and type the word you would like to find. Then hit next to find the next instance of said word.

On that page, I had to hit next 3 times to reach the paragraph that introduces her letter. Real Difficult.
Whatever dude. You are being a snide asshole.

The fact that you defend the terrorist, and attack her victim (the author of the article...who was nine when the attack on his family occurred) speaks volumes about you.

I am sure when the FBI apprehends the Boston bombers you will be the first to come to their defense. Have a nice day supporting terrorists.
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Whatever dude. You are being a snide asshole.

The fact that you defend the terrorist, and attack her victim (the author of the article...who was nine when the attack on his family occurred) speaks volumes about you.

I am sure when the FBI apprehends the Boston bombers you will be the first to come to their defense. Have a nice day supporting terrorists.
She should have been capped years ago.
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Whatever dude. You are being a snide asshole.

The fact that you defend the terrorist, and attack her victim (the author of the article...who was nine when the attack on his family occurred) speaks volumes about you.

I am sure when the FBI apprehends the Boston bombers you will be the first to come to their defense. Have a nice day supporting terrorists.
I'm attacking the New York Post mainly. To be perfectly honest I didn't bother to read the OP. Why? Because I already saw this subject posted here a week ago and many ppl got it right the first time which is why that thread died. She did her time, she's allowed to be employed.

You know what speaks volumes about you? Saying she never repented WHEN SHE DID!!!

I'm sure when the FBI apprehends the Boston bombers you'll just start making shit up about them. Have a nice day making shit up.
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So you were against what Bush did after 9/11, okay with what Obama did after Sandy Hook, and against this guy calling Columbia out about hiring a former terrorist? Is that a fair assessment? I don't want to put words in your mouth or anything, but if that is indeed the case, it seems pretty inconsistent.

I'm against what both president's did, consistent with my belief that the government shouldn't make laws that take away the Constitutional rights of the people.

But I am okay with this guy speaking out, because it has no bearing on anyone's rights, including the former terrorist. He is just a pissed off victim, and his editorial basically just asks the question "Will Columbia hire the Boston bomber too?" I also believe prospective students deserve to know what they are in for when they apply to Columbia.
Thank You for that and being civil about it.

Makes me glad that I deleted some words I had typed at first.
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Whatever dude. You are being a snide asshole.

The fact that you defend the terrorist, and attack her victim (the author of the article...who was nine when the attack on his family occurred) speaks volumes about you.

I am sure when the FBI apprehends the Boston bombers you will be the first to come to their defense. Have a nice day supporting terrorists.
You made something up in order to advance your agenda against her.
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