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Old 04-18-2013, 10:16 AM  
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Will the Boston bombers be hired by Columbia University?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...7PwFkbO1NheqNL

Tale of two terrorists
By JOHN M. MURTAGH

Last Updated: 12:46 AM, April 18, 2013

Posted: 11:54 PM, April 17, 2013

Somewhere near Boston early Monday morning, he packed a bomb in a bag. It was by all accounts relatively crude — a pressure cooker, explosives, some wires, ball bearings and nails . . . nails which, hours later, doctors would struggle to remove from the flesh of bleeding victims.

His motive is unclear. His intent is not: It was to maximize injury, suffering, pain, trauma and, yes, death.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be offered a teaching job at Columbia University.

Forty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.

Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.

One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.

Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.

She reappeared over a decade later driving the getaway car for the rag tag mix of Weathermen and Black Panthers who held up a Rockland County bank in 1981, murdering three in the process. Survivors of the ambush along the New York State Thruway recount how Boudin emerged from the driver’s door, arms raised in surrender, asking the police to lower their guns. When they did, her accomplices burst from the back of the van guns blazing.

As I said, people of a certain age remember this history. For those that don’t, Robert Redford is kindly about to release a movie recounting the Rockland robbery (albeit relocated to Michigan). By all accounts, the film lionizes the Weather Underground terrorists, Boudin and her accomplices.

Perhaps to bring it full circle, Professor Boudin can soon guest-lecture at a film class at Columbia when the Redford movie is screened.

Other than the passage of time, one can find no real distinction between the cowardly actions of last Monday’s Boston murderer and the terror carried out by Boudin and her accomplices. Yet today we live in a country where our leading educational institutions see fit to trust our children’s education to murderers and Hollywood sees fit to celebrate terrorists.

The Web site of Columbia’s School of Social Work sums up Boudin’s past thus: “Dr. Kathy Boudin has been an educator and counselor with experience in program development since 1964, working within communities with limited resources to solve social problems.”

“Since 1964” — that would include the bombing of my house, it would include the anti-personnel devices intended for Fort Dix and it would include the dead policeman on the side of the Thruway in 1981.

Maybe, if he is caught, Monday’s bomber can explain that, like Boudin, he was merely working within the community to solve social problems.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not. Perhaps, some day, Monday’s bomber will be offered tenure at Columbia University.


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Old 04-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #46
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I am not a convicted criminal and terrorist.

As I stated earlier, Columbia has the right to hire whomever they wish. They are, however, no immune from public criticism when the hire criminals and terrorists.
But should they be criticized for hiring her?
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:03 PM   #47
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That's not this guy's rationale. I doubt that he'd care if Columbia hired someone who did some time on a shoplifting conviction or a decades-old breaking and entering. Nor would he be leveling this criticism at Burns & McDonnell if they hired Boudin as an engineer or at the KC Royals if they hired her as the PA announcer at the K.

This is about a university hiring a revolutionary radical with a history of violent terrorism to "educate" young people.
Is bomb making on her syllabus?

You guys are right though, people have a right to be unhappy about her hiring, just as she has a right to work there, just as Columbia has a right to hire her, just as people have a right to know that the paper that published his piece just did something illegal that could ruin two innocent people's lives.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:03 PM   #48
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That's not even the issue. No one is talking about probibiting the institution from doing anything. This is about whether or not the institution *should* have done it.
I'm not talking about a legal prohibition. I'm talking about a moral prohibition. I'm talking about the same issue you are.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:06 PM   #49
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Is bomb making on her syllabus?

You guys are right though, people have a right to be unhappy about her hiring, just as she has a right to work there, just as Columbia has a right to hire her, just as people have a right to know that the paper that published his piece just did something illegal that could ruin two innocent people's lives.
Wait. What?
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:06 PM   #50
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Certainly have that right, but the editorialist in the first post does not seem to be much of a fan of the 1st Amendment if he wants to criticize Redford for planning to make a movie about the story and then having a prejudiced opinion of how that movie is going to end up.

Seems to me a good topic for a movie and until it is made you can't say that it is a biased presentation of the story.
I don't really know how that makes him opposed to first amendment rights.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:09 PM   #51
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Certainly have that right, but the editorialist in the first post does not seem to be much of a fan of the 1st Amendment if he wants to criticize Redford for planning to make a movie about the story and then having a prejudiced opinion of how that movie is going to end up.

Seems to me a good topic for a movie and until it is made you can't say that it is a biased presentation of the story.
That doesn't have anything to do with the first amendment. Which law school did you go to again?
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:11 PM   #52
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I'm not talking about a legal prohibition. I'm talking about a moral prohibition. I'm talking about the same issue you are.
Oh, OK. In that case, you're wrong. It does prohibit any decent educational institution from hiring a person like that.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:12 PM   #53
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Since this topic has been bouncing around the right wing blogs for a couple of weeks, it shows that the editoralist exercises bad judgment and poor taste to try to rehash the story because of the bombings in Boston.

The bombing at his house 43 years ago apparently damaged their property and made them scared. In Boston 3 people died and dozens lost limbs and 100+ had to go to the hospital. That was three days ago.

All things considered, pretty crappy way to pump up a story.

It is like this editorialist sees the attack in Boston as some kind of lucky break for him in his effort to get this chick fired.
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Oh, OK. In that case, you're wrong. It does prohibit any decent educational institution from hiring a person like that.
Possibly. If I were a student or anyway affiliated with Columbia, I'd demand a very strong explanation for why she should be on faculty. It's possible to clear that burden though.
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But should they be criticized for hiring her?
Yes. They absolutely should. She is a terrorist. Would Columbia be criticized for hiring a member of Al Qaeda?
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Yes. They absolutely should. She is a terrorist. Would Columbia be criticized for hiring a member of Al Qaeda?
I don't think she's a terrorist. She once committed an act of terrorism, though. In that sense, she was a terrorist. I don't think that makes her a perpetual terrorist though.
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Since this topic has been bouncing around the right wing blogs for a couple of weeks, it shows that the editoralist exercises bad judgment and poor taste to try to rehash the story because of the bombings in Boston.

The bombing at his house 43 years ago apparently damaged their property and made them scared. In Boston 3 people died and dozens lost limbs and 100+ had to go to the hospital. That was three days ago.

All things considered, pretty crappy way to pump up a story.

It is like this editorialist sees the attack in Boston as some kind of lucky break for him in his effort to get this chick fired.
It reminds you of the opportunism of the gun control left except on a much smaller and more personal scale, huh?
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Possibly. If I were a student or anyway affiliated with Columbia, I'd demand a very strong explanation for why she should be on faculty. It's possible to clear that burden though.
I can agree with that. David Horowitz overcame and atoned for his radical (albeit non-violent) past.
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Wait. What?
I'm talking about the NYP circulating pictures of two guys and labeling them as suspects when authorities have since said they are not suspects. So yeah, hats off to the NYP for printing this guy's personally jaded opinion on this Columbia hire on the back page while committing slander on the front page.
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I can agree with that. David Horowitz overcame and atoned for his radical (albeit non-violent) past.
I doubt it. This ex communist still has some problems. Hard to rid of all that baggage after being a communist for first fifty years of life.
It's like saying Gorbachev is not a socialist anymore. Horowitz STILL attacks the American ideal of limited constitutional governnent. Not a big enough leak for any Trotskyite, or other assorted commies to become "neoconservatives." So anything that sounds conservative from him is likely a lie. Or he needs more time to get re-educated into what conservativism actually stands for.
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