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Old 04-18-2013, 10:16 AM  
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Will the Boston bombers be hired by Columbia University?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...7PwFkbO1NheqNL

Tale of two terrorists
By JOHN M. MURTAGH

Last Updated: 12:46 AM, April 18, 2013

Posted: 11:54 PM, April 17, 2013

Somewhere near Boston early Monday morning, he packed a bomb in a bag. It was by all accounts relatively crude — a pressure cooker, explosives, some wires, ball bearings and nails . . . nails which, hours later, doctors would struggle to remove from the flesh of bleeding victims.

His motive is unclear. His intent is not: It was to maximize injury, suffering, pain, trauma and, yes, death.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be offered a teaching job at Columbia University.

Forty-three years ago last month, Kathy Boudin, now a professor at Columbia but then a member of the Weather Underground, escaped an explosion at a bomb factory operated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village. The story is familiar to people of a certain age.

Three weeks earlier, Boudin’s Weathermen had firebombed a private home in Upper Manhattan with Molotov cocktails. Their target was my father, a New York state Supreme Court justice. The rest of the family, was presumably, an afterthought. I was 9 at the time, only a year older than the youngest victim in Boston.

One of Boudin’s colleagues, Cathy Wilkerson, related in her memoir that the Weathermen were disappointed with the minimal effects of the bombs at my home. They decided to use dynamite the next time and bought a large quantity along with fuses, metal pipes and, yes, nails. The group designated as its next target a dance at an Officer’s Club at Fort Dix, NJ.

Despite the misgivings of some, it is reported that Kathy Boudin urged the use of “anti-personnel bombs.” In other words, she wanted to kill people not just damage property. Before they could act, her fellows were killed in the townhouse explosion. The townhouse itself collapsed; Boudin fled.

She reappeared over a decade later driving the getaway car for the rag tag mix of Weathermen and Black Panthers who held up a Rockland County bank in 1981, murdering three in the process. Survivors of the ambush along the New York State Thruway recount how Boudin emerged from the driver’s door, arms raised in surrender, asking the police to lower their guns. When they did, her accomplices burst from the back of the van guns blazing.

As I said, people of a certain age remember this history. For those that don’t, Robert Redford is kindly about to release a movie recounting the Rockland robbery (albeit relocated to Michigan). By all accounts, the film lionizes the Weather Underground terrorists, Boudin and her accomplices.

Perhaps to bring it full circle, Professor Boudin can soon guest-lecture at a film class at Columbia when the Redford movie is screened.

Other than the passage of time, one can find no real distinction between the cowardly actions of last Monday’s Boston murderer and the terror carried out by Boudin and her accomplices. Yet today we live in a country where our leading educational institutions see fit to trust our children’s education to murderers and Hollywood sees fit to celebrate terrorists.

The Web site of Columbia’s School of Social Work sums up Boudin’s past thus: “Dr. Kathy Boudin has been an educator and counselor with experience in program development since 1964, working within communities with limited resources to solve social problems.”

“Since 1964” — that would include the bombing of my house, it would include the anti-personnel devices intended for Fort Dix and it would include the dead policeman on the side of the Thruway in 1981.

Maybe, if he is caught, Monday’s bomber can explain that, like Boudin, he was merely working within the community to solve social problems.

Perhaps Monday’s bomber will be caught, perhaps not. Perhaps, some day, Monday’s bomber will be offered tenure at Columbia University.


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Old 04-18-2013, 11:42 AM   #31
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Really? Because it seems that my only detractors seem to be the usual dickbag troll combo of pat and yourself. I'm sure Crapface with be along shortly with photoshops and links to sites nobody's every heard of.
You're acting like it's some outlandish point to pose the question posed in the article. And not only that, you're doubling down on it with every other post, and making weird claims about the Post not being able to publish articles unless the writer also writes an expose.
Just bizarre stuff.
"Stay classy" - there was nothing non-classy about it. You just wanted to cry because you perceived it as some right-wing agenda piece.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:44 AM   #32
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Here is an interesting essay on this story.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/erikcam...-erik-campano/


Maybe the chick has apologized since then. Apparently she served 20+ years in prison.

If she is still doing criminal things, it would be a bad idea to have her teaching at a University. She must be behaving because she has had the job since 2008, and it is only now that the right-wing press has started crying about it.

I'd say that unless her critics want to pay her not to work, they have to accept that she has a right to earn a living and to do business with whoever would do business with her.
They don't have to embrace the idea that she's been hired to shape the minds of our next generation. She can make a living selling insurance or real estate and very few people will care. I'm confident you can see a difference here if you try.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:44 AM   #33
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Has she been vetted since serving her time? Yes? Then yes, she can teach.
But would you let her teach YOUR kids?

Has she ever renounced her criminals ways? Has she ever apologized to the victims? Or is she still proud of her criminal acts?

Sorry, but there is no way I would allow someone so morally corrupt to teach my children, at any age.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:45 AM   #34
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Yes. Because she plea bargained AND DIDN"T PERSONALLY KILL ANYONE.
Kind of like Charles Manson.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:46 AM   #35
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1. I doubt that this guy works for the Post.

2. Do you really have a problem with this guy holding a grudge against a lady who tried to kill his family when he was 9, even if she has technically paid her debt to society? Of with the Post for giving him a forum for his apparent dissatisfaction with the assessment of that debt?
No, I don't have a problem with him holding a PERSONAL grudge. I just don't think he should let it jade his views on who Columbia chooses to hire. By this guy's rationale, not one person convicted of a major crime could ever be employed in a public setting again ever...maybe they can all be coal miners
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Kind of like Charles Manson.
When's he getting out?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:47 AM   #37
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But would you let her teach YOUR kids?

Has she ever renounced her criminals ways? Has she ever apologized to the victims? Or is she still proud of her criminal acts?

Sorry, but there is no way I would allow someone so morally corrupt to teach my children, at any age.
I wouldn't want you to teach my kids, but that doesn't mean you should be prohibited from a private institution to teach kids.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:48 AM   #38
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Here is an interesting essay on this story.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/erikcam...-erik-campano/


Maybe the chick has apologized since then. Apparently she served 20+ years in prison.

If she is still doing criminal things, it would be a bad idea to have her teaching at a University. She must be behaving because she has had the job since 2008, and it is only now that the right-wing press has started crying about it.

I'd say that unless her critics want to pay her not to work, they have to accept that she has a right to earn a living and to do business with whoever would do business with her.
I don't know that people are saying she doesn't have a right to work, or that Columbia doesn't have a right to hire her.
But people can express displeasure with the University for giving her a paycheck.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:48 AM   #39
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But would you let her teach YOUR kids?

Has she ever renounced her criminals ways? Has she ever apologized to the victims? Or is she still proud of her criminal acts?

Sorry, but there is no way I would allow someone so morally corrupt to teach my children, at any age.
Yes.

I don't know. I don't know. I doubt it, as prison tends take that sting of pride away.
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She has a right to work and Columbia has a right to hire her. And John Murtagh has a right to express his opinion about it, and other people have a right to know that Columbia is hiring former terrorists to teach their classes.
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I wouldn't want you to teach my kids, but that doesn't mean you should be prohibited from a private institution to teach kids.
I am not a convicted criminal and terrorist.

As I stated earlier, Columbia has the right to hire whomever they wish. They are, however, no immune from public criticism when the hire criminals and terrorists.
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No, I don't have a problem with him holding a PERSONAL grudge. I just don't think he should let it jade his views on who Columbia chooses to hire. By this guy's rationale, not one person convicted of a major crime could ever be employed in a public setting again ever...maybe they can all be coal miners
That's not this guy's rationale. I doubt that he'd care if Columbia hired someone who did some time on a shoplifting conviction or a decades-old breaking and entering. Nor would he be leveling this criticism at Burns & McDonnell if they hired Boudin as an engineer or at the KC Royals if they hired her as the PA announcer at the K.

This is about a university hiring a revolutionary radical with a history of violent terrorism to "educate" young people.
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When's he getting out?
About the time Boudin should be.
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I wouldn't want you to teach my kids, but that doesn't mean you should be prohibited from a private institution to teach kids.
That's not even the issue. No one is talking about probibiting the institution from doing anything. This is about whether or not the institution *should* have done it.
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I don't know that people are saying she doesn't have a right to work, or that Columbia doesn't have a right to hire her.
But people can express displeasure with the University for giving her a paycheck.
Certainly have that right, but the editorialist in the first post does not seem to be much of a fan of the 1st Amendment if he wants to criticize Redford for planning to make a movie about the story and then having a prejudiced opinion of how that movie is going to end up.

Seems to me a good topic for a movie and until it is made you can't say that it is a biased presentation of the story.
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