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Old 04-17-2013, 02:12 PM  
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Claire McCaskill: If Boston bombings are terrorism, why not Sandy Hook?

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Claire McCaskill: If Boston bombings are terrorism, why not Sandy Hook?

By SCOTT WONG | 4/17/13 1:10 PM EDT

If President Barack Obama and the U.S. government consider the perpetrator of the Boston bombings a terrorist, then why not the shooter who killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

“Based on the evidence at this point, is there any difference between Sandy Hook and Boston other than the choice of weapon?” Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano during a congressional hearing Wednesday.

Napolitano didn’t have a simple response.

“In terms of intent for death and destruction and injury, no,” she said, “Methodology, yes. And we don’t know the motivation behind, certainly, Boston — we don’t know whether it was domestic, it’s international ...”

“Or if it was identical to the motivation in Sandy Hook,” McCaskill suggested.

“It’s impossible for me to sit at the table today and say they are identical except in effect and impact,” Napolitano said.

On the same day the Senate was expected to vote on several gun-control provisions, McCaskill pressed Napolitano to reevaluate when and how the federal government defines a criminal act as terrorism — especially when, in the case of the Boston incident, no suspects or motives are known.

“We are so quick to call Boston terror,” McCaskill said. “Why aren’t we calling the man with the high-capacity assault weapon and the high-capacity magazine, why aren’t we calling him a terrorist?”

“I don’t know the answer to that question,” the secretary replied.

“It just is troubling to me,” said McCaskill, a former county prosecutor. “I think both of them, maybe they had identical motives. Just one chose a military-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine, and the other one chose to make a homemade bomb.”

A day after Monday’s twin Boston bombings that killed three people and injured 176, Obama told reporters the FBI is investigating the attack as “an act of terror.” Napolitano repeated that line in testimony before the Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday morning.

Later Wednesday afternoon, an amendment by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) — requiring background checks for firearms purchases — was expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to pass.

The Senate will take up eight other amendments as well, including a ban on assault weapons and a ban on high-capacity magazines like those used by Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December.

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Old 04-17-2013, 09:45 PM   #61
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Was terror injected into the country through violence?

Since when does someone need an agenda to terrorize the public?
That's not the definition of terrorism. Look it up.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:11 AM   #62
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Actually, Claire being a Senator creates terror among many.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:10 AM   #63
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That's not the definition of terrorism. Look it up.
Crazy guy murders a bunch of children = not terrorism


Crazy middle-eastern guy murders a bunch of children in the name of Allah = Terrorism



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Old 04-18-2013, 07:52 AM   #64
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Crazy guy murders a bunch of children = not terrorism


Crazy middle-eastern guy murders a bunch of children in the name of Allah = Terrorism



First crazy guy: Not a threat to repeat the act. It was just a random act of violence by a crazy dude.

Second guy: Pissed off about (pick something) and is part of a larger group wanting to achieve a political agenda. This act is threatened to be repeated over and over until they get what they want.



First act: a tragedy that doesn't make the populous live in fear that the guy might strike again

Second act: terrorism

Why is this so hard to understand?
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:58 AM   #65
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First crazy guy: Not a threat to repeat the act. It was just a random act of violence by a crazy dude.

Second guy: Pissed off about (pick something) and is part of a larger group wanting to achieve a political agenda. This act is threatened to be repeated over and over until they get what they want.



First act: a tragedy that doesn't make the populous live in fear that the guy might strike again

Second act: terrorism

Why is this so hard to understand?

I understand exactly what you are saying.

The results are the same:

Al-Qaeda

The terrorists die or get caught, but another cell carries on the work.

Aurora, Newtown, Virginia Tech, Columbine

Insane person dies or gets caught, another crazy person sees publicity and carries on the same work.

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Old 04-18-2013, 08:06 AM   #66
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Why did Obama not call the Boston bombings an act of terrorism?
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:10 AM   #67
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I understand exactly what you are saying.

The results are the same:

Al-Qaeda

The terrorists die or get caught, but another cell carries on the work.

Aurora, Newtown, Virginia Tech, Columbine

Insane person dies or gets caught, another crazy person sees publicity and carries on the same work.
The results in real life are not the same. They aren't close to the same. I haven't watched the news lately, but I don't recall seeing a copycat fly an airliner into a skyscraper. I feel like I would have heard about it. The first one was all over the place. Lots of people talked about it.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:15 AM   #68
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The results in real life are not the same. They aren't close to the same. I haven't watched the news lately, but I don't recall seeing a copycat fly an airliner into a skyscraper. I feel like I would have heard about it. The first one was all over the place. Lots of people talked about it.
I think he means the use of IEDs or any terrorism. Like shoes for bombs even.
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I think he means the use of IEDs or any terrorism. Like shoes for bombs even.
Either way, an elaborate and determined terrorist network is more dangerous than the possibility of some random dude trying to copycat a shooting.
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Shit, I guess they're going to make bombs illegal now.

And one of the highlights of first grade for me was Bring A Bomb To School Day.

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First crazy guy: Not a threat to repeat the act. It was just a random act of violence by a crazy dude.

Second guy: Pissed off about (pick something) and is part of a larger group wanting to achieve a political agenda. This act is threatened to be repeated over and over until they get what they want.



First act: a tragedy that doesn't make the populous live in fear that the guy might strike again

Second act: terrorism

Why is this so hard to understand?

Stole my exact response, well done. It's not hard to understand, but you must remember that we're dealing with intellectual toddlers.
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Stole my exact response, well done. It's not hard to understand, but you must remember that we're dealing with intellectual toddlers.
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I would quibble with his word "tragedy". What happened in Boston wasn't merely a tragedy because that word implies some sort of destiny....it's a softer way of calling it a murder. It was a murderous act of terror. They are still out there, and people are still scared. And it's possible they ahd a broader political agenda.


Sandy Hook was a simple case of a crazed nut. This isn't hard.
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Was terror injected into the country through violence?

Since when does someone need an agenda to terrorize the public?


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This isn't difficult, dude.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:43 AM   #75
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I understand exactly what you are saying.

The results are the same:

Al-Qaeda

The terrorists die or get caught, but another cell carries on the work.

Aurora, Newtown, Virginia Tech, Columbine

Insane person dies or gets caught, another crazy person sees publicity and carries on the same work.
That's a big stretch in logic though. You also make the assumption that these people are sane. The aforementioned groups organize and perpetuate their actions even if some of them die. We have to be careful the way we use the designation of terrorist or eventually the term won't have any meaning but mean everyone.
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