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Old 04-17-2013, 11:17 AM  
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Fisher Willing To Play RT

Central Michigan T Eric Fisher said he is willing to play right tackle as a rookie.

"Oh yeah, I think I'm a very versatile player," Fisher said. "I played left tackle in college and hopefully I'll get the opportunity to play it again, but I know there's some great tackles in the league right now, and as a rookie if I had to come in and play right tackle I'd have no problem with that. ... I can play anywhere on the line they need me." Fisher's willingness to play the position may help him become the No. 1 overall selection if left tackle Branden Albert stays and Texas A&M T Luke Joeckel isn't willing to move
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:13 PM   #61
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Yes, you shouldn't have to make cogent arguments at all. We should all just accept your wisdom without question. Get over yourself, girl.
Fine. Let's do this over again, douche. Here's my rewritten version of Post #26 for you. Perfectly clarified and gentle enough for little Patricia's vagina.

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A QB with a sharp release and throwing capability, who has played in three different offensive systems in college, has seemingly unlimited potential if he consistently applies the good coaching he could receive under Andy Reid, and would be able to take as much time as he needs to blossom into the right QB if Alex Smith proves that he's as game manager mediocre as he appears to be. Also, this QB is by FAR better than James Vandenberg or just any QB that could be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round in any given draft class barring the obvious exceptions like Russell Wilson that happen as often as Tom Bradys and Kurt Warners do.

Versus a starting RT/LT.

Think, Pat. It's not that hard to understand why Geno is a much sexier and (it can be argued) smarter pick
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #62
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No you aren't. I didn't say anything like that. I picked that player to make it as easy as possible for morons to understand the point I was making. It seems I can't dumb it down enough for you though.

I didn't even say anything about Vandenberg. He was part of a question I asked. Good lord.
Your point ****ing sucks because it said, "AHAHAHAH SNR DIDN'T CLARIFY WHAT KIND OF QB! I GOT HIM NOW! I WIN THE ARGUMENT ON A TECHNICALITY! HOORAY!"
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #63
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:42 PM   #64
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Not saying we should hang on Mel Kiper's words here.

But this illustrates what I, and others, have said about this class.

People have been looking at this class through prism that has been skewed by recent drafts.

It has only been a recent phenomonom for QBs to start right away and be expected to excel from the very first game.

Prior to the last couple of years, even if QBs were asked to start right away, everyone recognized that there should be a development period.

QBs were drafted high because they had the potential to excel, in time.

Almost every draft expert agrees that Geno has potential.

But now, they downgrade him, and Barkley, and others, because they might not excel immediately.
OK, well I agree with most of that. The only part I might have disagreement on is whether the Chiefs front office is smart enough to see it too. I think they are and I think that after taking that into consideration, if they think highly enough of Geno Smith or any other QB, they'll draft him. Maybe you agree and we don't disagree at all.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:49 PM   #65
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Fine. Let's do this over again, douche. Here's my rewritten version of Post #26 for you. Perfectly clarified and gentle enough for little Patricia's vagina.
If the Chiefs see it like you do, I'm sure they'll do the right thing. And if they see Eric Fisher as a decade-long anchor who can make his entire side of the line better due to his outstanding athleticism, his inspirational leadership and his coachability while worrying that Geno Smith might not have the leadership intangibles or that his decision making is too slow to have a great chance of realizing his physical potential, they might take the tackle. Furthermore, if they think more highly of Alex Smith than you or PGM do, even a Geno Smith that they think can achieve his potential might not seem like a "great improvement at a position of need" to them.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:50 PM   #66
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

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Old 04-17-2013, 01:55 PM   #67
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Your point ****ing sucks because it said, "AHAHAHAH SNR DIDN'T CLARIFY WHAT KIND OF QB! I GOT HIM NOW! I WIN THE ARGUMENT ON A TECHNICALITY! HOORAY!"
It wasn't a technicality. It illustrates the fundamental flaw you Geno Mafia types always suffer from in your arguments. You think your assessment is ground truth and you incorporate it into your childish arguments in a way that establishes as a premise that anyone who disagrees with or questions the important part of the argument (how good is Geno Smith?) is wrong and pretends that the only thing left to argue about is whether or not QB is a more important position than Tackle.
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If the Chiefs see it like you do, I'm sure they'll do the right thing. And if they see Eric Fisher as a decade-long anchor who can make his entire side of the line better due to his outstanding athleticism, his inspirational leadership and his coachability while worrying that Geno Smith might not have the leadership intangibles or that his decision making is too slow to have a great chance of realizing his physical potential, they might take the tackle. Furthermore, if they think more highly of Alex Smith than you or PGM do, even a Geno Smith that they think can achieve his potential might not seem like a "great improvement at a position of need" to them.
Andy obviously does think more of Alex Smith than I do. And if Alex Smith is unprecedentedly all that Reid thinks he is/can be, then fine.

We're still in the position where we just drafted a RT at 1.1. And the scary thing is that I prefer that to drafting him and trading Albert just so we can tell people, "We didn't reach on value! We got a LEFT tackle. A LEFT tackle. Those are always good, yeah?"

Sigh. How far my standards have fallen. At least Fisher isn't Joeckel.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:57 PM   #69
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:59 PM   #70
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It wasn't a technicality. It illustrates the fundamental flaw you Geno Mafia types always suffer from in your arguments. You think your assessment is ground truth and you incorporate it into your childish arguments in a way that establishes as a premise that anyone who disagrees with or questions the important part of the argument (how good is Geno Smith?) is wrong and pretends that the only thing left to argue about is whether or not QB is a more important position than Tackle.
And in your attempt to illustrate that, you used a wacky and extreme example far out in left field that doesn't even remotely come close to a successful counterexample.

Also, I just love this:

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You think your assessment is ground truth and you incorporate it into your childish arguments in a way that establishes as a premise that anyone who disagrees with or questions the important part of the argument is wrong
That's EXACTLY what you do in the DC forum minus the rape talk.
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Andy obviously does think more of Alex Smith than I do. And if Alex Smith is unprecedentedly all that Reid thinks he is/can be, then fine.

We're still in the position where we just drafted a RT at 1.1. And the scary thing is that I prefer that to drafting him and trading Albert just so we can tell people, "We didn't reach on value! We got a LEFT tackle. A LEFT tackle. Those are always good, yeah?"

Sigh. How far my standards have fallen. At least Fisher isn't Joeckel.
Just as you (I think correctly) explain that LT is becoming less important than it once was, RT is becoming more important. In today's NFL, with TEs playing all over the place and pass rushers moving from side to side, you need more of an ambidextrous line, IMO. The blind side is still the blind side so there will always be a bit of a difference, but I think that difference is becoming smaller. That said, just because the guy you draft plays RT this year, doesn't mean that's where he'll stay, as you well know.
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And in your attempt to illustrate that, you used a wacky and extreme example far out in left field that doesn't even remotely come close to a successful counterexample.
The more extreme the example, the more clear the point. If I use Matt Barkley instead, someone who likes both better than a Tackle, doesn't have to confront the point at all.
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The more extreme the example, the more clear the point. If I use Matt Barkley instead, someone who likes both better than a Tackle, doesn't have to confront the point at all.
See? You're arguing on that technicality again. I didn't qualify that I meant a top QB in a draft class or any QB with a ceiling as high as Geno's is with a reasonable chance of high achievement. I CLEARLY meant it, and anybody else would have let it slide, because arguing against it is worthless. After all, that's what this is all about. Geno Smith versus any tackle. Geno Smith is a QB. Hitting on a QB in the draft is worth 20 times the value of a tackle.
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Let's ignore the fact that Andy Reid is sexually attracted to Alex Smith the way Scott ***** was to Matt Cassel.
That kind of hyperbole doesn't really help your argument, and it's not going to change the mind of anyone who is on the fence.

And this is coming from a guy who really wants the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith.

Most of the arguments you make about Geno Smith are compelling. You really should stick to those, rather than comparing Andy Reid to Scott Pioli.
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