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Old 04-17-2013, 10:17 AM  
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Central Michigan T Eric Fisher said he is willing to play right tackle as a rookie.

"Oh yeah, I think I'm a very versatile player," Fisher said. "I played left tackle in college and hopefully I'll get the opportunity to play it again, but I know there's some great tackles in the league right now, and as a rookie if I had to come in and play right tackle I'd have no problem with that. ... I can play anywhere on the line they need me." Fisher's willingness to play the position may help him become the No. 1 overall selection if left tackle Branden Albert stays and Texas A&M T Luke Joeckel isn't willing to move
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #31
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A QB.

Versus a starting RT/LT.

Think, Pat. It's not that hard to understand why Geno is a much sexier and (it can be argued) smarter pick
Does Iowa's James Vandenberg also offer a "legit shot to greatly improve" the Chiefs QB position? If the answer is no, then just pointing out that Geno "Slow Eyes" Smith plays QB is not much of an argument. If the answer is yes, you've got an even less proficient eye for talent than a hack like me does.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:37 AM   #32
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Does Iowa's James Vandenberg also offer a "legit shot to greatly improve" the Chiefs QB position? If the answer is no, then just pointing out that Geno "Slow Eyes" Smith plays QB is not much of an argument. If the answer is yes, you've got an even less proficient eye for talent than a hack like me does.
This makes no sense whatsoever, unless you actually believe James Vandenberg is close to being the QB that Geno Smith is and can potentially be in the NFL.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:40 AM   #33
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This makes no sense whatsoever, unless you actually believe James Vandenberg is close to being the QB that Geno Smith is and can potentially be in the NFL.
he's ripping Stanzi and Iowa homers
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:43 AM   #34
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This makes no sense whatsoever, unless you actually believe James Vandenberg is close to being the QB that Geno Smith is and can potentially be in the NFL.
I don't accept your assessment of Geno Smith.
It's not a given and it's not a premise that goes without saying.
You can't just say he plays the most important position,
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therefore he's a better pick than any T in the draft.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:44 AM   #35
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I don't accept your assessment of Geno Smith.
It's not a given and it's not a premise that goes without saying.
You can't just say he plays the most important position,
Spoiler!
therefore he's a better pick than any T in the draft.
This is BEP level reasoning.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:44 AM   #36
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This is BEP level reasoning.
Often, BEP makes more sense than you do. This would be one of those times.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:50 AM   #37
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I don't accept your assessment of Geno Smith.
It's not a given and it's not a premise that goes without saying.
You can't just say he plays the most important position,
Spoiler!
therefore he's a better pick than any T in the draft.
Not agreeing with how good Geno Smith could be as a pro doesn't mean you're allowed to go full retard and put him next to James Vandenberg on the QB scale.

I don't think Joeckel is anything special as a top LT prospect. When I think of the top tackles to come out of the draft in past years, I can't think of many I'd prefer Joeckel to. Tyron Smith maybe.

But that doesn't mean I'm allowed to put him next to Colin Brown. That's just ridiculous bullshit.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:51 AM   #38
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It's far more QB >>> pass rusher > LT.

Teams win Super Bowls with elite QBs while also putting pressure on the other team's elite QB.

There's a pretty good article about what new concepts in quick-pass spread systems and option reads are doing to the importance of the position

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/91...-espn-magazine
But here's where this argument falls apart. I agree, an elite QB is more important than an elite LT, but it looks like the Chiefs, and they're not alone, feel there is no elite QB in the draft. It seems they,and others, feel there's no difference making QB, or a QB that now, and in the near future, will be as good as Alex Smith.

You can say you must take the QB that will be really good, and win games for your team, and you'd be right, but you can't just take a QB #1 that you don't believe in. In that case a LT that's close to guaranteed to be good for a while is a better pick.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:52 AM   #39
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Not agreeing with how good Geno Smith could be as a pro doesn't mean you're allowed to go full retard and put him next to James Vandenberg on the QB scale.

I don't think Joeckel is anything special as a top LT prospect. When I think of the top tackles to come out of the draft in past years, I can't think of many I'd prefer Joeckel to. Tyron Smith maybe.

But that doesn't mean I'm allowed to put him next to Colin Brown. That's just ridiculous bullshit.
I didn't do that, you literally did. I asked you a simple question that you haven't answered yet. If you don't think Vandenberg has a legit shot to greatly improve the Chiefs, then there's a problem with your original attempt to talk down to me in post 26.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:52 AM   #40
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Small group: No he's not! I've read he has slow eyes!"

Oh well, that settles it then. Guess we should all just do what the talking heads on television say we should do. Good thing we can't see talent with our own two eyes or we might be free thinkers or some crazy shit like that.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:55 AM   #41
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But here's where this argument falls apart. I agree, an elite QB is more important than an elite LT, but it looks like the Chiefs, and they're not alone, feel there is no elite QB in the draft. It seems they,and others, feel there's no difference making QB, or a QB that now, and in the near future, will be as good as Alex Smith.

You can say you must take the QB that will be really good, and win games for your team, and you'd be right, but you can't just take a QB #1 that you don't believe in. In that case a LT that's close to guaranteed to be good for a while is a better pick.
Exactly. I don't think people like SNR are too stupid to understand that, I think they just insist on ignoring it.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:58 AM   #42
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Exactly. I don't think people like SNR are too stupid to understand that, I think they just insist on ignoring it.
If you believed a QB had the potential to be a very good QB in the NFL after a couple of years of development, would you consider him worthy of a top 5 pick?
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:59 AM   #43
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Majority of fans on this site: "Geno is great!"

Small group: No he's not! I've read he has slow eyes!"

Oh well, that settles it then. Guess we should all just do what the talking heads on television say we should do. Good thing we can't see talent with our own two eyes or we might be free thinkers or some crazy shit like that.
The majority of the fans here are ****ing idiots. If that is your gauge on what is and isn't a good idea, then may god have mercy on your soul.
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Majority of fans on this site: "Geno is great!"

Small group: No he's not! I've read he has slow eyes!"

Oh well, that settles it then. Guess we should all just do what the talking heads on television say we should do. Good thing we can't see talent with our own two eyes or we might be free thinkers or some crazy shit like that.
Its not just talking heads saying that.

I made my mind about Geno Smith, not based on eyes or footwork, or comp %, but just on what he did in big games. People get on Alex Smith for being a game manager, and not willing the team to wins on his own, well Geno didn't do that either, in fact he was worse at showing up in big games when nothing was going right, neither was he.
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If you believed a QB had the potential to be a very good QB in the NFL after a couple of years of development, would you consider him worthy of a top 5 pick?
It depends on what you mean by very good and how likely he is to achieve that potential. In general, my answer would be yes, of course.
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