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Old 04-16-2013, 07:05 PM  
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Oh no Henny Penny! Here is a REASONABLE report concerning climate change!

Article about the report...
http://www.natureworldnews.com/artic...al-warming.htm

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they believe, "A potential global warming issue has been identified that should be treated as a potential problem for which root cause is not definitely known."
For this reason, they argue, the U.S. government is "over-reacting" to the concerns of the media, scientists and activists and that a more "rational process for allocation of research funds without the constant media hype of an AGW crisis is needed."
The actual report...
http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/...ss%20Rpt-1.pdf

And here is another article showing how little we know and how it's BAD SCIENCE to keep claiming with certainty that our models are correct when they continue to be proven wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93F0AJ20130416

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"The climate system is not quite so simple as people thought," said Bjorn Lomborg, a Danish statistician and author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who estimates that moderate warming will be beneficial for crop growth and human health.

Some experts say their trust in climate science has declined because of the many uncertainties. The UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had to correct a 2007 report that exaggerated the pace of melt of the Himalayan glaciers and wrongly said they could all vanish by 2035.

"My own confidence in the data has gone down in the past five years," said Richard Tol, an expert in climate change and professor of economics at the University of Sussex in England.
Suck it you smug assholes who crow as if you know with certainty how the global climate functions. The models are horrendously flawed and always have been, a ton more research is needed before we even approach a clue.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:39 PM   #46
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I believe the climate is warming, but man has nothing to do with it. Natural cycle.
And what is the nature of the cycle. For example seasons are explained and understood as a consequence of a near sphere of a planet and a tilt in the spinning axis as relates to the sun. What is the explanation? Otherwise it isn't science it is just belief in luck.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:45 PM   #47
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You must remember we are looking at a three-headed monster.

We have the politicians and scientists feeding at the government trough, snarling viciously at anyone that they think might cut off their largesse.

The business interests making money peddling doohickeys and thingamabobs guaranteed to lower CO2!

Last, and most dangerous because of their sheer numbers and fecundity are the Acolytes such as tiptap, cdcock, and NewChief...


As I said earlier the USGS has funded orders of magnitude more investment in researching fossil fuel related technologies than non fossil fuel over the years. Same for the Dept of Energy. So it is possible to have made a living off the government without worrying about CO 2 if it really has no effect.

I am always happy to have your opinion of my scientific understanding.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:08 PM   #48
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So with the reduction in research as part of the cut back in government spending, where will this continued research get money on all the fronts of efficiency, conservation and alternate energy systems. Will we get it from coal, oil and gas? Their economic interest is seems un-altruistic.
I am in full support of government spending on RESEARCH in this area. Not spending on technologies that should be developed by the private sector, but spending on the science needed to gain a better understanding and produce accurate modeling. I can't think of anything that represents a more important aspect off National Defense than this in the long run. In a perfect world, I'd like to see the funding somehow insulated from the whims of politicians and also be large enough to destroy any agenda driven research that relies on scare tactics and media manipulation to insure that the research continues.
To be clear, this is the research in HOW the entire global climate works and the basic science... any research on tech should be private companies. If the tech can't prove itself in the free market than it's likely crap anyway. No place for government in that side of things unless you think we can weaponize climate tech. Lightning guns for the win!

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As far as being a white knight, you have offered no hypothesis to account for any change in temperature. That better solution would be a white knight. No you are a diligent skeptic. Needed but to accept that we can not have any level of understanding, that the physics applied to atmosphere cannot be done, is to leave the area to mysticism. And to being hijacked by those whose religion is profit alone.
Actually I have offered alternate hypotheses many times before(solar variance for example) ... but that isn't necessary in this case. I am more interested in exposing the fraudulent claims of hacks that distort the science to prop up their agenda.

And where have I EVER said this is UNKNOWABLE? I have stated that I think we can't make accurate models RIGHT NOW mostly due to a lack of computational power. We also lack full understanding of some of the basic principles. A good example would be the shift from 4.2C to 3C to now many are jumping on 2.5C as an accurate figure for doubling. At some point we'll get that right.. but I certainly don't trust the current guesswork to be accurate. With continued research (needs more funding and less politics, no clue how to accomplish either) and a huge jump in computational power we very well could end up with models that are predictive and accurate. Whenever we achieve practical quantum computing (20-30 years I would guess) I expect to see a huge leap forward in this field... but that means we have A LOT of ground work in the field to get done before we get to that point.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:36 PM   #49
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Really?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...hicalliving.g2



Also very interesting that it pairs the "denial industry" of oil with that of tobacco.... coincidentally two of AustinChief's pet topics?
Yep, you got me, I'm in the pocket of big oily tobacco! No, those two topics are just examples of bad science being promulgated by a lazy media that loves sensationalism. If the media attached itself to 911 conspiracy science or the (mostly) crap alarmism around GMOs or whatever... you'd see me attack that as well. Where is the outrage over my debunking of the bad "science" used by the birthers? I'm fairly consistent, it's just that these two topics are ones that the public have accepted as "true" regardless of facts. I make it a point to attack these because it's silly to attack shit that everyone KNOWS is whacky.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:20 PM   #50
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:25 PM   #51
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:27 PM   #54
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The fact that they use "models" tells you they we can't determine what the problem is.

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You can't be ****ing serious. So we got it all ****ing down! We know more than enough to make predictive models.... we just don't do it cuz we don't wanna.

NOT ONE ACCURATE PREDICTIVE MODEL IN HUMAN HISTORY. Not one.

I have no problem with people who "believe" humans are causing global climate change. I certainly think it's possible. It's the ****ing ridiculously HORRENDOUS "scientists" who claim to KNOW that piss me off. In NO OTHER SERIOUS FIELD would their antics not be laughed off the pages of journals. You can't constantly pass of your hypotheses as facts ESPECIALLY after they keep coming up short.

Did you bother to read the report or just the canned critique by a known alarmist? I stopped reading the critique when they claimed this...



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You's have to be incredibly stupid or incredibly ignorant to believe this bullshit. You can't take bits and pieces of a predictive model with various possible results and Frankenstein together a conclusion after the fact and call it "accurate." It's a JOKE that anyone would be so stupid as to think this is decent science.
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They call it the sun, it's a star in the sky. It makes us warm.
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I'm not reading through all of this shit, I'm just glad we're getting some rain this year and the temperatures are more mild.
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I'm not reading through all of this shit, I'm just glad we're getting some rain this year and the temperatures are more mild.
Im not reading this shit either.
On that note, have you checked & prepped your global cooling device? Global warming season is upon us again
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Im not reading this shit either.
On that note, have you checked & prepped your global cooling device? Global warming season is upon us again
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