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U.S. tells N.Korea new missile launch would be "huge mistake"

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SEOUL (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned North Korea on Friday it would be a "huge mistake" to test launch a medium-range missile and said the United States would never accept the reclusive country as a nuclear power.
Addressing reporters after talks with South Korea's president and leaders of the 28,000-strong U.S. military contingent in the country, Kerry also said it was up to China, North Korea's sole major ally, to "put some teeth" into efforts to press Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear ambitions.
Kerry, like other U.S. officials, played down an assessment from the Pentagon's intelligence agency that the North already had a nuclear missile capacity.
The United States, he said, wanted to resume talks about North Korea's earlier pledges to halt its nuclear programme.
But he also stressed that Washington would defend its allies in the region if necessary and pointedly said that Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, "needs to understand, as I think he probably does, what the outcome of a conflict would be".
North Korea has repeatedly said it will not abandon nuclear weapons which it said on Friday were its "treasured" guarantor of security.
Kerry's visit coincided with preparations for Monday's anniversary of North Korean state founder Kim Il-Sung's birth date, a possible pretext for a show of strength, with speculation focusing on a possible new missile test launch.
GRAPHIC: N.Korea's military http://link.reuters.com/zur27t
GRAPHIC: Korea's economic divide http://r.reuters.com/gyn84t
Kerry, who flies to China on Saturday and to Japan on Sunday, said that if North Korea's 30-year-old leader went ahead with the launch, "he will be choosing, wilfully, to ignore the entire international community".
"I would say ahead of time that it is a huge mistake for him to choose to do that because it will further isolate his country and further isolate his people, who frankly are desperate for food, not missile launches."
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The North has issued weeks of shrill threats of an impending war following the imposition of U.N. sanctions in response to its third nuclear test in February. Kerry said the threats were "simply unacceptable" by any standard.
"We are all united in the fact that North Korea will not be accepted as a nuclear power," he said.
Kerry later told U.S. executives in Seoul that China, as an advocate of denuclearisation, was in a position to press for a change in the North's policy.
"The reality is that if your policy is denuclearisation and it is theirs as it is ours, as it is everybody's except the North at this moment ... if that's your policy, you've got to put some teeth into it," he told the gathering.
But North Korea showed little inclination for further talks.
Rodong Sinmun, the mouthpiece of the ruling Workers' Party, said Pyongyang would never abandon its nuclear programme.
"The DPRK will hold tighter the treasured sword, nuclear weapons," it said, referring to the country by its official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS
North Korean state television showed footage of newscasts from other countries depicting the trajectory a North Korean missile launch might take.
It also showed preparations for the Kim Il-Sung birthday festivities, including floral tributes, and a stadium of thousands of school children of the Korean Children's Union, each wearing a red scarf and saluting and marching in unison.
Speculation has mounted of an impending medium-range missile test launch in the North after reports in South Korea and the United States that as many as five medium-range missiles have been moved into position on the country's east coast.
Officials in both countries believe the North is preparing to test-launch a Musudan missile, whose range of 3,500 km (2,100 miles) or more would put Japan within striking distance and may threaten the island of Guam, which houses U.S. military bases.
The North has been angry about annual military drills between U.S. and South Korean forces, describing them as a "hostile" act. The United States dispatched B52 and B2 stealth bombers from their bases to take part.
Hours before Kerry's arrival, a U.S. lawmaker quoted a report by the U.S. Defence Intelligence Agency, one of the 17 bodies that make up the U.S. intelligence community, as saying it had "moderate confidence" that North Korea had developed a nuclear bomb that could be fitted on a ballistic missile.
But Kerry poured cold water on the report said it was "inaccurate to suggest that the DPRK has fully tested, developed capabilities" as set down in the document.
South Korea's Defence Ministry said it did not believe North Korea could mount a nuclear warhead on a missile.
A U.S. official had earlier suggested that Washington's greatest concern was the possibility of unexpected developments linked to Kim Jong-un's "youth and inexperience". Asked if war seemed imminent, he replied: "Not at all."
South Korean President Park Geun-hye, meeting officials from her ruling Saenuri Party before her talks with Kerry, struck a conciliatory note by suggesting Seoul should at least listen to what North Korea had to say.
"We have a lot of issues, including the Kaesong industrial zone," local media quoted her as saying. So should we not meet with them and ask: "Just what are you trying to do?'"
The president was referring to North Korea's closure this week of the jointly run Kaesong industrial park, with the loss of 53,000 jobs.
Kerry said the United States would not object to the South talking to the North. He also did not rule out the possibility of U.S. aid some day flowing to the North, but suggested this could only happen if Pyongyang undertook real denuclearisation.
Kerry sounded upbeat about resolving a dispute between the United States and South Korea over a civil nuclear cooperation agreement that expires next year, saying he thought a compromise could be found by Park's visit to Washington next month.
South Korea is believed to want the right to reprocess its spent nuclear fuel, which would allow it to deal with a mounting stockpile of nuclear waste.
However, this could also allow it to produce bomb-grade fissile material, a step Washington is loathe to see it take in part because of its nuclear standoffs with Iran and North Korea.
"We are ... very concerned at this time about not having any ingredients that could alter our approach ... to either of those," he said. But Kerry added that he was "confident that one option or another will be able to come to fruition (with South Korea) by the time that President Park comes to Washington."*
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:37 AM   #46
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Well, the kook watcher in me is curious as to what she thinks.

North Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons?

North Korea doesn't have ballistic missiles?

Perhaps she does not know what gullible means?

The possibilities are virtually endless...
Dub in much? Never made any claims to the contrary. Russia had those things too. Pssst! We're still here.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:38 AM   #47
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Everytime, you make this false claim, you eventually do find it in the thread, because it's there.
Get off your lazy British Empire arse while you project talking points of the msm and govt.
If you are referring to this, perhaps you'd like to explain it? Of course I already read it, but as usual, you give no specifics as to how you think it applies to the situation in Korea.

Gee, I just saw Olympus Has Fallen last night.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:40 AM   #48
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If you are referring to this, perhaps you'd like to explain it? Of course I already read it, but as usual, you give no specifics as to how you think it applies to the situation in Korea.

Gee, I just saw Olympus Has Fallen last night.
I don't have to explain ANYTHING to you Donger. I already said what I think, was stated earlier in the thread. I don't have to debate, explain or defend it with you or anyone. It was stated. Take it or leave it. Unless, of course, you wanna be a bully at the level of thought by trying to force me to. I know that's your style with your million questions game. I ain't playin'.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:41 AM   #49
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Dub in much? Never made any claims to the contrary. Russia had those things too. Pssst! We're still here.
Yes, I know. I really don't see anyone super worried about NK being able to nuke CONUS, nor do I see much MSM (or Bowser, the person you replied to) wetting themselves about it.

So, again, how is Bowser gullible to the MSM's take on the situation? Please be specific.
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I don't have to explain ANYTHING to you Donger. I already said what I think, was stated earlier in the thread. I don't have to debate, explain or defend it with you or anyone. It was stated. Take it or leave it. Unless, of course, you wanna be a bully at the level of thought by trying to force me to. I know that's your style with your million questions game. I ain't playin'.
Of course you don't, because you can't. It would only expose for the hundredth time that you just regurgitate kook statements.
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Quite sad, really. Oh well.
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Who is "they?" Now, see this here is what I see as the problem.
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If you look at the history of North Korea their sabre rattling has worked very well in their favor of having the 'big boys' appease them to keep them quiet. Best thing to do, imho, is to ignore them with a large boot ready for ass insertion.
Exactly....pretty much what I've been saying. They need food. They usually get paid off by us.

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Exactly....pretty much what I've been saying. They need food. They usually get paid off by us.

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If you'd actually bother to read and comprehend Bowser's words, you'd see that he knows and agrees with the assessment that NK is just sabre-rattling. He doesn't expect a mushroom cloud.

But facts and you have always been mutually-exclusive when you want to parrot a kook talking point.
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So let me take a crack at this shit -

BEP does not believe that North Korea is being overly aggressive with us, but being reactionary at our refusal to send them what they need, i.e. food, medicine, supplies, and money. We have chosen to stop sending aid, becasue, well, America is evil and has plans to conquer the world. The best way to do this is to weaken the very people who would rather rely on us for what they have than do for themselves. Close?

I'll even say that I assume she thinks all the sabre rattling coming out of the DPRK is a complete fabrication made up by us to, what? Give us a reason to invade and have a democratic soverign nation on China's doorstep? If so, then why would China itself release statements telling the North in no uncertain terms to settle the **** down? Did we fabricate those stories as well? If we did, wouldn't you think China would be pissed and take up the matter with us?

Gives me a headache trying to decipher the mind of someone who is always thinking in terms of "WHAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THE REASON??". Yeah, yeah, I'm a sheep, blahblah.....
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So let me take a crack at this shit -

BEP does not believe that North Korea is being overly aggressive with us,...
I did not say that. I just recognize rhetoric, bluff and bluster.

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... but being reactionary at our refusal to send them what they need, i.e. food, medicine, supplies, and money.
I did not say that either. Never said we refused but that we cow-towed to such behavior in the past.

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We have chosen to stop sending aid, becasue, well, America is evil and has plans to conquer the world. The best way to do this is to weaken the very people who would rather rely on us for what they have than do for themselves. Close?
"Close?" Not even. Cherrypicked, somewhat re-worded for another Bowserian strawman argument.

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I'll even say that I assume she thinks all the sabre rattling coming out of the DPRK is a complete fabrication made up by us to, what?
"Us?" Who is "us?"

Glad to see you finally recognize this as sabre rattling. You're catching on.

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Give us a reason to invade and have a democratic soverign nation on China's doorstep?
NK is democratic?

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If so, then why would China itself release statements telling the North in no uncertain terms to settle the **** down?
Yes they did...as well as us.

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Did we fabricate those stories as well?
Never used the word "fabrication."

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If we did, wouldn't you think China would be pissed and take up the matter with us?
Well they did say we were stirring things up as well as NK. Guess you missed that too.

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Gives me a headache trying to decipher the mind of someone who is always thinking in terms of "WHAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THE REASON??".
Well, you read into and between the lines of what I post—not what I post. So you're the one trying to decipher the reason behind my reasons. Lol. Project much?

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Well, this part is spot on.
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Oh, and Bowser, you need to take all my posts on NK through several threads to better decipher my position. Or just read them and take them at face value would be simpler, easier and more accurate.
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The funny part is that I don't see anyone on this thread who actually takes the threat from NK very seriously beyond bluster.

BEP, everyone already knows why NK is making the threats. I realize that you like to think that you are somehow the holder of exceptional knowledge, but well, you aren't. I think you just like to "hear" yourself type.
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