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Old 04-12-2013, 03:07 PM  
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We just might get a trade down yet.

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A pretty good source is confirming pretty much what Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reported earlier today and that is that the Dolphins have OOs Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Central Michiganís Eric Fisher rated considerably higher than Oklahomaís Lane Johnson. As such, the Dolphins donít appear to be all that interested in trading up for Johnson as has been speculated around the league in recent days, but are very keen to move up for either Joeckel or Fisher. In fact, according to sources the Dolphins wonít rule out trading all the way up to the #1 pick to get one of those guys if thatís what it takes. In fact, Miami G.M. Jeff Ireland confirmed at a pre-draft presser yesterday that the Dolphins, who have extra selections in both the second and third rounds, are prepared to move up in this yearís open round and wonít rule out dealing for the top pick.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:15 PM   #91
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Hey, I'm with ya...but not if that means dropping all the way from 1 to 12...

If we aren't taking a qb (and we aren't) then I'd prefer them to move back 3 or 4 times and get a boatload of 2s and 3s and picks in future drafts if at all possible...and end up selecting in the mid to late 20s.

I'd be fine with that.

Again, prefaced with "if they aren't gonna take a qb"
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:18 PM   #92
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The draft value chart is the place you start, not the place you finish.

The Chiefs should be looking to offer the 1st overall at a bargain's bargain.

If they did it for a single 1st round pick, then yeah.
If you research the breakdowns, it's used as a guideline, not as gospel.

If they offer a trade down at a 500 point discount, that would probably get teams interested...according to The Bad Guy, multiple teams have already called wanting to move up to 1.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:19 PM   #93
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Hey, I'm with ya...but not if that means dropping all the way from 1 to 12...

If we aren't taking a qb (and we aren't) then I'd prefer them to move back 3 or 4 times and get a boatload of 2s and 3s and picks in future drafts if at all possible...and end up selecting in the mid to late 20s.

I'd be fine with that.

Again, prefaced with "if they aren't gonna take a qb"
Is this team better with Joeckel/Fisher or with an Ansah and a Brown?

If your answer is the latter, you make the trade.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:24 PM   #94
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The Chiefs luck; they take Geno at 1; the everyone goes batshit and someone trades with Jax for 2 2nds this year a 1st next year; and 2 2nds the net year.

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Chiefs luck my ass. More like Chiefs actually did something right since taking Berry at five. Give me that kind of "bad luck" every time, every year please...
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:25 PM   #95
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That's a valid point. I just think that if a team can move from 12 to 1 for only a second rounder, someone would offer more.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:29 PM   #96
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Geez, blow your first round pick on a LT every four years? The Dolphins are as retarded as the Chiefs.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:45 PM   #97
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We hold out for that, and the Fish are trading with someone else. And we get Joeckel.
I doubt they get actual draft value. But, that was a response to the nonsense in which somebody stated we'de drop 11 spots in the draft for a single second round pick. There's an 1800 point difference between 1 and 12 and mid 2nd rounders are only worth 400 pts (give or take). It'll take more than that and I'd be pissed if Dorsey caved for so little compensation.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:49 PM   #98
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We will trade down and we will take the highest offer. Your insipid arguments about "value" mean jack ****ing shit.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:50 PM   #99
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I doubt they get actual draft value. But, that was a response to the nonsense in which somebody stated we'de drop 11 spots in the draft for a single second round pick. There's an 1800 point difference between 1 and 12 and mid 2nd rounders are only worth 400 pts (give or take). It'll take more than that and I'd be pissed if Dorsey caved for so little compensation.
Danes point is valid, though.

I'd rather get raped on compensation that get raped by staying put and taking Joeckel.

I think Luke Joeckel may be the most overhyped prospect I've EVER see go through the draft process. Watch his Florida and Alabama games, he got beat all day and bailed out by Manziel.

They need to get Albert locked up long term and take a qb or trade down.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:57 PM   #100
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Danes point is valid, though.

I'd rather get raped on compensation that get raped by staying put and taking Joeckel.

I think Luke Joeckel may be the most overhyped prospect I've EVER see go through the draft process. Watch his Florida and Alabama games, he got beat all day and bailed out by Manziel.

They need to get Albert locked up long term and take a qb or trade down.
IF Dorsey trades down, I guarantee he gets within 500 points of actual value of the pick. Who's to say we don't make a couple moves and acquire multiple future picks. With the "lack of talent" in this draft, teams might be more inclined to move up to get their guy, rather than stand pat and hope their guy drops.

And I agree about Albert getting locked up long term. I don't want to waste the pick on a position we're already pretty decent at.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:58 PM   #101
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Dorsey would fire himself if he traded down to #12 for just a 2nd round pick.
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IF Dorsey trades down, I guarantee he gets within 500 points of actual value of the pick. Who's to say we don't make a couple moves and acquire multiple future picks. With the "lack of talent" in this draft, teams might be more inclined to move up to get their guy, rather than stand pat and hope their guy drops.
Improving the team is all that should concern Dorsey.

If the Chiefs take Joeckel/Fisher, they're treading water.

If they take an Ansah and a Brown, they've upgraded their defense for years to come. Three relentless pass rushers and a stud next to DJ would go much further than standing pat and taking a left tackle.

Value, schmalue.
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I wouldn't draft Ansah that high though. I think he is around the 5th or 6th best pass rusher in this class and has massive bust potential for multiple reasons.

1) age - his birth isn't formally recorded and his age is basically an educated guess. The guy looks 28-30 to me.

2) less than one year as starter and only 3 years playing football at all. He won't physically dominate NFL left tackles IMO.

There are more concerns I have with him, but those are the two major ones.
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Improving the team is all that should concern Dorsey.

If the Chiefs take Joeckel/Fisher, they're treading water.

If they take an Ansah and a Brown, they've upgraded their defense for years to come. Three relentless pass rushers and a stud next to DJ would go much further than standing pat and taking a left tackle.

Value, schmalue.
I don't disagree with the value of Ansah and Brown vs. Joker/Fisher. However, there's multiple teams rumored to be talking trade already. If we can get more, then take it. Let the bidding war begin.....
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I don't disagree with the value of Ansah and Brown vs. Joker/Fisher. However, there's multiple teams rumored to be talking trade already. If we can get more, then take it. Let the bidding war begin.....
Yeah, I'm good with the Chiefs making the best deal possible, no doubt.

I just want don't expect Dorsey to be stubborn and use a value chart in order to determine whether or not the Chiefs should make a trade.

With this draft class and the team's needs, two players will be better than one, IMO.
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