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Old 04-11-2013, 08:35 PM  
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Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

Health Care: As Democrats grow increasingly worried that ObamaCare will explode on the launch pad just as midterm elections get going, the Obama administration seeks to pin blame on Republicans. Good luck with that.

Earlier this week, Health and Human Services head Kathleen Sebelius admitted that she didn't realize how complicated getting ObamaCare off the ground would be.

Sebelius complained that "no one fully anticipated" the difficulties involved in implementing ObamaCare, or how confusing it would be with the public.

She wasn't talking about the massive and impossible task of imposing central planning on one-sixth of the nation's economy.

Instead, she was trying to find a way to blame Republicans for ObamaCare's failures when the inevitable problems start emerging.

Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

So let's see if we get this. Democrats shoved an unpopular, expensive, ill-conceived and poorly written law down the country's throat with no Republican support, and without bothering to see whether states would want to take on the thankless and costly task of helping the feds implement it.

And now that many of these states are rebelling, it's the Republicans' fault?

Sebelius' fellow Democrat, West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, had a more accurate take on the problem the administration faces: the law is "probably the most complicated piece of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress" and "if it isn't done right the first time, it will just simply get worse."

Rockefeller, like a growing number of Democrats, realizes that ObamaCare is shaping up to be a political disaster for the party next November.

The influential Cook Political Report noted earlier this month that almost all of the Democratic insiders they talked to "voiced concern about the potential for the issue to hurt Democrats in 2014."

And just what could explain these concerns?

Maybe it's because even Sebelius now admits that ObamaCare will force insurance claims up 32%.

Or possibly it's because, despite endless assurances that the insurance exchanges would be ready on time, the administration had to delay for a year a key feature meant to give small business a choice of health plans.

Or because neither Sebelius nor the states have provided evidence they can get the rest of the exchanges ready by Oct. 1, when ObamaCare's open enrollment begins.

Or perhaps Democrats' fears stem from state insurance commissioners warning of a rate shock once ObamaCare's "community rating" rules and benefit mandates start. Or from rising evidence the law is hurting job growth as small businesses try to avoid its costs.

None of this, mind you, has anything to do with Republicans. And if the GOP were smart, it'd be focused on making sure that, come next November, the public knows that, too.


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Old 04-13-2013, 06:18 PM   #61
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:22 PM   #62
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OK, so what you said before wasn't serious, right?
Still waiting for a straight answer.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:46 PM   #63
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Kotter is completely clueless about the source of medical cost inflation.
Okay, patty....you begin with an assertion in THIS post (FTR, #45). Frankly, I've not addressed the specifics, or given my assessment of that in the thread up until that point--so I don't know what you are referring to with that. Is it another thread? Is it implications you are attempting to infer from more ambiguous and/or other TIC/hyperbolic remarks in this, or any other thread? Posting online is such inefficient communication. I'm sincere in earnestly asking that you direct me to the post upon which you base #45 in this thread, OR the link to another thread...in which case, I can address your question as to whether I was serious or not.

This isn't that complicated, really...is it? I'm just asking for a post or a link, sir.

Before that though, I did ask you for your serious attempt to answer:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

Then, I said I'd respond in kind to your answer. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration and cooperation, sir. Rock-chalk, Jayhawk and all that business.
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:24 PM   #64
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Okay, patty....you begin with an assertion in THIS post (FTR, #45). Frankly, I've not addressed the specifics, or given my assessment of that in the thread up until that point--so I don't know what you are referring to with that. Is it another thread? Is it implications you are attempting to infer from more ambiguous and/or other TIC/hyperbolic remarks in this, or any other thread? Posting online is such inefficient communication. I'm sincere in earnestly asking that you direct me to the post upon which you base #45 in this thread, OR the link to another thread...in which case, I can address your question as to whether I was serious or not.

This isn't that complicated, really...is it? I'm just asking for a post or a link, sir.

Before that though, I did ask you for your serious attempt to answer:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

Then, I said I'd respond in kind to your answer. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration and cooperation, sir. Rock-chalk, Jayhawk and all that business.
Here is the post (post 41) to which my post (post 45) was referring. So again, are you now saying that you weren't really being serious. Because if you were being serious, I stand by post 45.

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Holy fugg...what part of per capita don't you understand?

Even if it isn't adjusted for inflation--THIS is precisely the problem. Out of control costs, driven in large part, if not mostly, by windfall profits for asshole middle-men in our completely messed up system.
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:39 PM   #65
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Sincerely, patty--thanks for that. Since that was a TIC, smartass remark to Crapski (not you) who is, IMHO, a total troll on this board. While there is an element of seriousness to it...surely, you know, that I know...as I have said mutlitple times, in many threads, this is a very complicated question.

That aside, I will ask you again, earnestly....and with all seriousness (because YOU are not total troll, like the other dude) to answer that question:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

Then, seriously, I will respond in kind to your answer. Once again...thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration. Have a great night, and rest of the weekend.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:02 PM   #66
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Sincerely, patty--thanks for that. Since that was a TIC, smartass remark to Crapski (not you) who is, IMHO, a total troll on this board. While there is an element of seriousness to it...surely, you know, that I know...as I have said mutlitple times, in many threads, this is a very complicated question.

That aside, I will ask you again, earnestly....and with all seriousness (because YOU are not total troll, like the other dude) to answer that question:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

Then, seriously, I will respond in kind to your answer. Once again...thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration. Have a great night, and rest of the weekend.
You're welcome to post a serious analysis, but until you do, I'm convinced that you're clueless about the real problem and that you're content to thoughtlessly blame fat cats and profits.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:34 PM   #68
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You're welcome to post a serious analysis, but until you do, I'm convinced that you're clueless about the real problem and that you're content to thoughtlessly blame fat cats and profits.
In other words, you won't answer my polite and earnest question, because you want me to go "first"???

You mean....just like I did in the 2008 election, and then you blew me off? Or in the previous discussions of this topic...and then you blew me off?? OR in the discussions I've posted about political ideology...and then you blew me off??? Well, I suppose I could. And I yet might. But dang, why can't someone of your ideological purity and someone with your self-assurred certainty on almost every issue that is ever brought up on this board (or at least DC, heh) simply...address my basic question:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

I said I'd respond in kind to your answer. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration...even if you aren't inclined to give it.

I'm really trying here, patty; even if you aren't making it easy, but I'm gonna hold my ground. How 'bout it Big Shooter???
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:17 PM   #69
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what an asshole.
Says "Shitsprayer/Comrade Crapski"...heh. Beautiful irony.

Heh.
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In other words, you won't answer my polite and earnest question, because you want me to go "first"???

You mean....just like I did in the 2008 election, and then you blew me off? Or in the previous discussions of this topic...and then you blew me off?? OR in the discussions I've posted about political ideology...and then you blew me off??? Well, I suppose I could. And I yet might. But dang, why can't someone of your ideological purity and someone with your self-assurred certainty on almost every issue that is ever brought up on this board (or at least DC, heh) simply...address my basic question:

What is the real source of medical cost inflation?

I said I'd respond in kind to your answer. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration...even if you aren't inclined to give it.

I'm really trying here, patty; even if you aren't making it easy, but I'm gonna hold my ground. How 'bout it Big Shooter???
You've already gone first with a ridiculous theory about fat cats ruining health care for the little guy. If you want to stand on that answer, I'm content to just point out your idiocy. If you want to prove I'm wrong when I say you're clueless, you have the opportunity to do so. I don't care which choice you make.
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First off Kotter needs to know the definition of inflation, versus price increases due to a demand curve that is pushed by government trying to make healthcare more affordable. I mean a lot of things are more expensive today due to inflation, including healthcare. We pay more than double for everything we buy. But HC has risen more than inflation. Same with college education, again due to the govt trying to make it more affordable pushing up the demand curve artificially aka not based purely on market forces.
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Says "Shitsprayer/Comrade Crapski"...heh. Beautiful irony.

Heh.
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First off Kotter needs to know the definition of inflation, versus price increases due to a demand curve that is pushed by government trying to make healthcare more affordable. I mean a lot of things are more expensive today due to inflation, including healthcare. We pay more than double for everything we buy. But HC has risen more than inflation. Same with college education, again due to the govt trying to make it more affordable pushing up the demand curve artificially aka not based purely on market forces.
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That's a good point.
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