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Old 04-10-2013, 06:24 AM  
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What is the quickest way to kill a school voucher bill?

Answer:Muslims

Tennessee Republicans threaten to kill GOP voucher bill over fear of funding Muslim schools

By David Edwards
Tuesday, April 2, 2013 15:58 EDT


Republican lawmakers in Tennessee are threatening to block Republican Gov. Bill Haslam’s school voucher bill over fears that Muslim schools could receive funding.

The Knoxville News Sentinel reported on Monday that Haslam hinted that he would withdraw his bill after objections from Republican lawmakers that it was not broad enough and that the vouchers could be used by Islamic schools.

Over the weekend, state Sen. Jim Tracy (R) had told The Murfreesboro Post that he had “considerable concern” that tax dollars could go to schools that teach principles from the Quran.


Tracy, who is on the Senate Education Committee and identifies himself as a member of the Church of Christ, insisted that Islamic school funding was an “an issue we must address” before the voucher bill can go forward.

“I don’t know whether we can simply amend the bill in such a way that will fix the issue at this point,” he said.

On Monday, Tracy told the News Sentinel that his staff had determined that there was at least one Muslim-oriented school — Pleasant View School in Memphis — that would be eligible for vouchers under the governor’s plan.

And state Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris (R) worried that an attempt by Sen. Brian Kelsey (R) to broaden Haslam’s bill from the bottom 5 percent of schools to every school in the state would only make more tax dollars available to Islamic educators.

“That’s just another reason for not amending the governor’s bill,” Norris pointed out.

State Sen. Bill Ketron (R), who sponsored a 2009 bill that would have banned Sharia law in Tennessee, hoped to slow the entire process down.


“These issues warrant further assessment,” he remarked to The Murfreesboro Post. “What’s the rush?”

Last week, Ketron had demanded answers from state Senate Clerk Russell Humphrey over concerns that a floor-level sink installed outside the House chamber men’s restroom could be intended to accommodate Muslims’ ritual of washing their feet before prayer.

Humphrey took the matter up with Legislative Administration Director Connie Ridley, who assured the men in an email that “the floor-level sink installed in the men’s restroom outside the House Chamber is for housekeeping use.”

“It is, in layman’s terms, a mop sink,” Ridley wrote.

From:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/0...uslim-schools/

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Old 04-10-2013, 10:43 PM   #46
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I am curious as to whether you consider home-schooling a form of parental indoctrination of a child-student.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:47 PM   #47
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I'm curious as to how one replaces Thomas Jefferson with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin, and William Blackstone in a text. I hope it was more than a Ctrl+F and Replace job.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:22 PM   #48
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I am curious as to whether you consider home-schooling a form of parental indoctrination of a child-student.
Depends entirely on the parent... but even if so, it is COMPLETELY within a parent's rights to screw with THEIR child's education.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:26 AM   #49
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ite-privilege/

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...trination.html

Not really a story on education but, the opening paragraphs serve my purpose here -

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/stunner-c...tile-gay-duos/

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=22208

http://www.examiner.com/article/ct-s...t-to-bear-arms


Here are a few. There are MANY more dating back years.


Unlike Frankie, I actually back my shit up.

I wounder what, um indoctrination, would go on at a voucher, private school....


http://www.politicususa.com/bobby-ji...reat-guys.html

Bobby Jindal’s Voucher Schools Teach That Slavery Was Good, and The KKK Are Great Guys

By: Jason EasleyMar. 25th, 2013more from Jason Easley


"Gov. Bobby Jindal’s voucher schools are teaching Louisiana kids that most slave owners were kind to their slaves, and that the KKK are civic reformers.

Bobby Jindal’s usage of Louisiana as a prop for his 2016 presidential campaign is doing a lot more damage to the state than the rest of the country can ever possibly imagine. However, Jindal’s isn’t just wrecking the state for today. His “school choice” plan is being used by the far right to teach rewritten history and whitewashed racism to the state’s children.

Jindal’s voucher schools will be free to teach lessons like slave owners were pretty good guys, “A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991.”

Louisiana’s kids will also be learning that the KKK is just misunderstood.

In Jindal Land’s classrooms, the KKK is really a reform organization that was concerned with morality, “[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001″

According to Crazy Crawfish’s Blog, “Louisiana’s state Superintendent of Schools, John White, is aware of these troubling texts being used, as is BESE president, Chas Roemer, but they believe a parent’s choice to send their kids to a school (that teaches slavery has gotten a bad rap) is not just ok, but should be defended at any cost. They feel it would be an injustice to interfere in the teachings of voucher schools. . . at least those that teach that ownership of other human beings was not something to be ashamed of, but something to be proud of.”

This is the kind of education that Bobby Jindal wants to give to all poor and middle class Louisiana kids, on the taxpayers’ dime."


/I spent 13 years at a private Catholic school (Helias). I don't really care about private schools that actually teach up to a standard.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:53 AM   #50
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You guys just don't get it. It's not indoctrination if the "right" religion or the far-right ideology is the one that's being pushed on the children. That's just good family values.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:03 PM   #51
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Here's the website for my state which shows what standards are being taught in public schools, particularized to subject and grade-level: http://educateiowa.gov/index.php?opt...85&Itemid=4602
All well and good. But can you prove what is actually being taught in actual class room? There are plenty of activist teachers. To think otherwise is just being naive.
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All well and good. But can you prove what is actually being taught in actual class room? There are plenty of activist teachers. To think otherwise is just being naive.
You have no idea how education works. If you deviate from district curriculum then you get fired. They teach to standardized tests now.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:14 PM   #53
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You don't even read your own shit. In that article it says the lesson was withdrawn from the curriculum.

So, where's your proof?
You cannot really be this simple minded.... It was withdrawn, which means what? It WAS being taught. Not until people started asking questions and doing a little detective work to find out what was being taught was it stopped.

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I wounder what, um indoctrination, would go on at a voucher, private school....


http://www.politicususa.com/bobby-ji...reat-guys.html

Bobby Jindal’s Voucher Schools Teach That Slavery Was Good, and The KKK Are Great Guys

By: Jason EasleyMar. 25th, 2013more from Jason Easley


"Gov. Bobby Jindal’s voucher schools are teaching Louisiana kids that most slave owners were kind to their slaves, and that the KKK are civic reformers.

Bobby Jindal’s usage of Louisiana as a prop for his 2016 presidential campaign is doing a lot more damage to the state than the rest of the country can ever possibly imagine. However, Jindal’s isn’t just wrecking the state for today. His “school choice” plan is being used by the far right to teach rewritten history and whitewashed racism to the state’s children.

Jindal’s voucher schools will be free to teach lessons like slave owners were pretty good guys, “A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 1991.”

Louisiana’s kids will also be learning that the KKK is just misunderstood.

In Jindal Land’s classrooms, the KKK is really a reform organization that was concerned with morality, “[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”—United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd ed., Bob Jones University Press, 2001″

According to Crazy Crawfish’s Blog, “Louisiana’s state Superintendent of Schools, John White, is aware of these troubling texts being used, as is BESE president, Chas Roemer, but they believe a parent’s choice to send their kids to a school (that teaches slavery has gotten a bad rap) is not just ok, but should be defended at any cost. They feel it would be an injustice to interfere in the teachings of voucher schools. . . at least those that teach that ownership of other human beings was not something to be ashamed of, but something to be proud of.”

This is the kind of education that Bobby Jindal wants to give to all poor and middle class Louisiana kids, on the taxpayers’ dime."


/I spent 13 years at a private Catholic school (Helias). I don't really care about private schools that actually teach up to a standard.
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You guys just don't get it. It's not indoctrination if the "right" religion or the far-right ideology is the one that's being pushed on the children. That's just good family values.
Would any of you care to point out to me where I said that only one side was/is doing it?
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You have no idea how education works. If you deviate from district curriculum then you get fired. They teach to standardized tests now.

Yeah, because we know that no one ever gets away with breaking the rules in this world.

Tell me something, if it is so easy for you to believe that one side is doing it, why is it so hard to believe the other is? Hmmmmm?
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I am curious as to whether you consider home-schooling a form of parental indoctrination of a child-student.

It is to be expected that a level of indoctrination goes on in a home school environment. And that is perfectly ok because that is where it should be taking place any way, in the home. It is the parents' prerogative to teach their children a moral system. That is NOT the role of the public school system. Everyone has different morals, obviously. Public schools need to stick to the "3 Rs" and leave politics and moral codes ( out side of the obvious like be nice to the other kids, no cheating and respect for the class room ect.) to the people who are raising them.
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Maybe I'm just a dumbass, but when I was in grade school I don't even remember a teacher talking about politics. And if they did, I don't think I would have cared. And if I did, I think my first step would have been to ask my parents.

Actually, in all of my education history, the only teacher I can remember being openly political was a big time libertarian economics teacher. But he was a cool dude and encouraged quite a bit of debate. Although looking back now I guess it's funny that the most political teacher I had wasn't liberal or conservative but a libertarian. They really are the most annoying, aren't they? ;p
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It is to be expected that a level of indoctrination goes on in a home school environment. And that is perfectly ok because that is where it should be taking place any way, in the home. It is the parents' prerogative to teach their children a moral system. That is NOT the role of the public school system. Everyone has different morals, obviously. Public schools need to stick to the "3 Rs" and leave politics and moral codes ( out side of the obvious like be nice to the other kids, no cheating and respect for the class room ect.) to the people who are raising them.
Do you think most public school teachers focus more on "politics and moral codes" rather than the "3 Rs?"
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All well and good. But can you prove what is actually being taught in actual class room? There are plenty of activist teachers. To think otherwise is just being naive.
Yes, you could reasonably prove what is being taught in the actual class room by asking the students what their class covered.
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If it takes hatred of Muslims or Jews or Catholics to kill idiot bills like this... I'm all for it. Tax payer money should NEVER .. EVER... ****ING EVER... be used for religious indoctrination. PERIOD. So if you want to send your kids to Catholic school (like I went to) or Christian School or whatever... pay for it your own damn self.
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Maybe I'm just a dumbass, but when I was in grade school I don't even remember a teacher talking about politics. And if they did, I don't think I would have cared. And if I did, I think my first step would have been to ask my parents.
Ah, but that's how they getcha--the really good ones are able to brainwash you without you even knowing it!
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