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Old 04-05-2013, 10:46 PM  
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A Colorado Sheriff Responds To President Obama

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This dude brings thunder. What a noble statesmen this guy is...

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President Obama visited Denver on April 3, 2013 to push his excessive gun legislation. Not one sheriff in the state of Colorado was included in the event. The sheriffs of Colorado representing 62 counties were kept out of the event because their legislative needs were not useful to the president.

Obama's purposeful shunning of the state sheriffs could not silence them. Listen as Sheriff Shayne Heap from Elbert County Colorado responds to the president's comments.

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Old 04-06-2013, 03:22 PM   #31
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As technology increases, then yes I do believe certain things such as the second amendment could be looked at to see if they need tweaking to keep them relevant. When the amendment was written, the weapons available were less capable than the weapons of today. I'm not on the "ban assault weapons" bandwagon because I don't think the losses of tyranny suppression would outweigh the gains of eliminating weapons capable of so much damage in a short amount of time. But when does the line get drawn. Should RPGs , mortars, and claymore mines be available to the public?

I just think we need to get past the stigma of the phrase "gun control" and have an intelligent discussion about what makes sense going forward without all the emotion and finger pointing that usually accompanies such discussions. If what makes sense is to do nothing and keep the status quo, that fine, but up to this point there hasn't been any discussion not clouded with emotion and partisan politics.

the main reason we are discussing this subject is stupidity. stupid americans that are easily misled by stupid leaders who refuse to have an intelligent approach to crime due to a corrupt system of governing.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:24 PM   #32
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the main reason we are discussing this subject is stupidity. stupid americans that are easily misled by stupid leaders who refuse to have an intelligent approach to crime due to a corrupt system of governing.
Big government loves big crime. Scared citizens vote as their told. And bathing in the blood of murdered children makes for great liberal photo ops.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:25 PM   #33
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20k died in one day during the Civil War. TWENTY THOUSAND.. Bloodiest day in the history of American warfare.

First of all: About 3,600 dead. 22,000 total casualties: dead, wounded or missing.

Second of all: That was more than 70 years after the Constitution was written, and there had been a lot of weapons development advancement in the meantime.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:48 PM   #34
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...If you are going to give a 6 minute speech on why you believe current attempts at gun legislation to stop gun violence is wrong, shouldn't you offer at least one alternative solution?...
Only if you believe that there is a solution. I believe there is no solution and that it's misguided to waste resources and do further damage trying random shit.
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:05 PM   #35
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As technology increases, then yes I do believe certain things such as the second amendment could be looked at to see if they need tweaking to keep them relevant.When the amendment was written, the weapons available were less capable than the weapons of today. I'm not on the "ban assault weapons" bandwagon because I don't think the losses of tyranny suppression would outweigh the gains of eliminating weapons capable of so much damage in a short amount of time. But when does the line get drawn. Should RPGs , mortars, and claymore mines be available to the public?

I just think we need to get past the stigma of the phrase "gun control" and have an intelligent discussion about what makes sense going forward without all the emotion and finger pointing that usually accompanies such discussions. If what makes sense is to do nothing and keep the status quo, that fine, but up to this point there hasn't been any discussion not clouded with emotion and partisan politics.

Then you need to do a little historical study. The SA is as relevant today as it was back then. Here is a good place to start. These guys give citations and links to the information they share. It isn't just a bunch of false Founding Father quotes. They did their research.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:07 PM   #36
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Only if you believe that there is a solution. I believe there is no solution and that it's misguided to waste resources and do further damage trying random shit.
I've got one - start hanging the mother****ers instead of coddling them.

Studies have conclusively proved that dead criminals commit no further crimes.
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:10 PM   #37
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I've got one - start hanging the mother****ers instead of coddling them.

Studies have conclusively proved that dead criminals commit no further crimes.
Quoted for truth.
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #38
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Studies have conclusively proved that dead criminals commit no further crimes.
Are you sure about that?
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I've got one - start hanging the mother****ers instead of coddling them.

Studies have conclusively proved that dead criminals commit no further crimes.
BUT WE HAVE TO STUDY THEM AND CONVINCE THEM THAT WE LOVE THEM STILL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT MADE THEM DO THE THINGS THEY DID AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY WITH NO CRIME YAY
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:17 PM   #40
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I had some time today, and this statement caught my eye. It was an angle I thought was intriguing, and if it was true - or even true enough to imply a correllation - it would be a pretty interesting piece of information to have. So, I decided to fact-check it.

First, my methods: I made a list of every entry in Wikipedia's lists of rampage, workplace, school, and religiously-motivated mass killers. I limited the list to those in the US, from the time of Columbine (April 20, 1999) up until now. I eliminated the one killer who used a vehicle, and the six who used only hand weapons (an interesting statistic in itself). I also eliminated the five who did not have their own Wikipedia page, just for ease of research. I then added in a few more cases either of special notoreity or interest: Kip Kinkel's lunchroom shooting in 1998, in which he killed or wounded 28 students; the Jewish day school shooting of 1999 by a white supremacist; the Beltway snipers of 2002; the attack on the Colorado Springs churches in 2007; the shooting at the San Antonio theater that happened just after the Batman shooting in 2012; and Christopher Dorner. That left me with a list of a nice, even, 40 criminals to compare, who together committed 38 crimes. I then quickly read about them to see which were on prescription medication at the time.

4 to 6 score as Yes: Robert Hawkins (Valium), Seung-Hui Cho (unknown), Jeff Weise (Prozac), Steven Kazmierczak (Ambien, Prozac, and Xanax). Possibly Robert Stewart (Ambien, disputed by prosecution) and Adam Lanza (tests are as yet incomplete).

1 scores as Sorta: Jared Loughner had illegal drugs, and almost certainly had major psychiatric issues, possibly stemming from using a lot of illegal drugs.

6 or 7 are Maybe, because they had been diagnosed with psychiatric issues in the past: Terry Ratzmann (depression), Michael McLendon (depression), Mark Barton (depression and paranoia), Scott Dekraai (PTSD), Buford Furrow (unspecified), and Bryan Uyesugi (personality shift after a head injury). James Holmes's defense team says he was under psychiatric care, but this has so far been disputed by the prosecution.

18 are No: Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Charles Williams, John Muhammad, Lee Malvo, Chai Vang, Kyle Huff, Charles Roberts, Tyler Peterson, Charles Thornton, Jiverly Wong, George Sodini, Omar Thornton, Eduardo Sencion, One Goh, Wade Page, Jesus Garcia, and Christopher Dorner. Their motivations ranged from revenge (Vang), extortion (Muhammad and Malvo), rage (Omar Thornton), racial hatred (Page), or simply being a psychopathic killer (Harris).

8 more are also No, but perhaps should have been - they each exhibited evidence of mental illness, but apparently had received no treatment for it: Douglas Williams, Michael McDermott, Matthew Murray, Nidal Hasan, Andrew Engeldinger, Jennifer San Marco, Kip Kinkel, and Larry Ashbrook.

Counting maximum totals, and even with the Sorta as a Yes, the total is 7 Yes, 7 Maybe, and 26 No. My conclusion is that this statement is false.
Most of your NOs do have motives even if trivial they were done out of rage, so I stand by the senseless no motive angle.
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F-ck the GOP. They spent the last 40 years bringing in millions of illegal immigrants so they could please the 5% of their base that is business-only at the expense of the 95% who never wanted it. They can burn in hell. Talk about "reaping what you sow"? Did you really just say that? Because the GOP was just ass-raped by the immigrant swarm they promised their base wouldn't turn on them.


The GOP reaped what it sowed the day it decided to betray it's middle class base and import the hordes. I'm glad the hordes murdered their Election Day chances.
So if it's your vote standing between Nancy Pelousi getting her gavel back, you'll sit it out?
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I've got one - start hanging the mother****ers instead of coddling them.

Studies have conclusively proved that dead criminals commit no further crimes.
That will not happen in Colorado.
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That will not happen in Colorado.
It won't happen anywhere, but it should. We need to go back to the old ways.
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That will not happen in Colorado.
Or Omaha Nebraska if this piece of shit is reelected as Mayor




89 days since Newtown. 236 days since Aurora.

1,925 days since the mass shootings at the Westroads Mall.

Yet, Washington still hasn't acted.

Send a message on Election Day. This can never happen again.
Jim can take his message & die
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